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Posted on Jul 19, 2018
SSG Gerhard S.
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COL Jim Lincoln
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Yes Trump did it--but so did Biden,and two other presidents!-Bush and Clinton. I have previously explained how they all did it,but no doubt they all evaded (successfully) the draft ,to avoid Vietnam service
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COL Jim Lincoln
COL Jim Lincoln
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BTW I served, or rather survived 32 months in Vietnam. I was glad to do my duty
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SGT Aaron Atwood
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My dad was among those drafted. Another relative not only fled the country but completely changed his legal name because he was that determined to not get drafted and also to avoid any government retaliation.

I am forever grateful that my dad is not a name on that black granite wall. As to the other person? I don't know. I only know he dodged the draft because my mom told me about it. What I know him best for is posting our family's genealogy information many years ago; long before ancestry.com became a thing. Same for documents my great-grandfather wrote. I'd never have had any idea of my great-grandfather's voice if it wasn't for him.

We're all people, and we all make good and bad decisions. What will our 5-greats grandchildren think we were? Demi-gods?
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for your service, and for sharing your personal experience, and perspective on this topic.
Service ISN'T for everyone, and forced servitude shouldn't be for anyone. The only things society should demand from us are to be good person, and to be a productive member of that society, rather than be a burden upon it.
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SFC Robert Walton
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Perception seems to be more important these days than actual fact and the rule of law. Not choosing sides however out of the last three Presidents we have had i would not want to serve with any of them or there VP's in a Military environment.
The only one that i would serve under as a Commander and Chief would be Trump.
True Draft Doggers i have a dislike for. Because they are the most mouthy and disrespectful of the ones who did serve.
Biden had breathing problems even when he played football No need for him in the military and he fit the do not draft do not enlist category. Obama Well let me say he would be to busy running off at the mouth and Telling everyone what he would and would not do he would not have made it through BCT. Trump met the do not draft do not enlist category. Last person on want on my team is someone who cannot walk on unlevel ground, and is a liability to the rest of the team. JMTC
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PO2 Michael Jarboe
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I guess I resent anyone who did whatever they could to avoid the draft rather than serving their country. I enlisted and volunteered for Nam. Only thing I ever requested of the Navy that I actually got. I took crap from people when I got back and again later when I got out including the VFW. I pretty much kept my service to myself for a decade to avoid the frequent revulsion I got from people at he time.

The straw that really broke it for me was when Carter got elected and one of the first things he did was tell everyone that ran off to Canada to come back home. All was forgiven. That single act made me defect from the democratic party and I'll never go back. It still angers me greatly.

I suppose everyone has their pet peeve about the things that were said and done to returning Nam vets. Carter's ineptitude and complete disrespect tops my list.

It still kind of bothers me a bit when anyone thanks me for my service. It took decades for that to even begin and now, if they're in my age range, I can't help but wonder if they were in the group that was so very critical of us at the time. They'll tell you if they served and I enjoy hearing from other veterans of any period but there's a good chance the ones that never served were saying things a lot less friendly around 55 years ago.

It's an old insult that won't ever heal completely for me.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for your voluntary service, and for sharing your thoughts and experiences.

I'm curious though, is one "serving" their country when they're being forced to serve, or are they being involuntarily placed in a position of servitude?
It might not seem so bad until the same politicians who placed people there pulled everyone out after 60,000 + American deaths with no gains to show for it.

I find it hard to blame people given our politicians lack of follow- through.

Respectful regards.
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PO2 Michael Jarboe
PO2 Michael Jarboe
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SSG Gerhard S. - It was both the law and the expectation at the time. The draft was part of it and people were called to duty before Viet Nam in the same manner. I don't recall hearing anyone getting to testy about the draft until they were actually being sent into conflict. I'm not sure our society wouldn't benefit by a restart of the draft. The youth of today just don't seem to get it.
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SPC Clark Stinson
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Edited 7 mo ago
Not bothered if Donald Trump didn't serve when he is our current President for the 2nd term after all. Definitely tops the other draft dodgers and the "almost joined" who became nothing in life with little to no contributions to society besides being problematic and destructive.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
7 mo
Thank you for your service, and for sharing your thoughts. One suspects though that you didn't read past the first paragraph or two or you may have realized this article is about the larger issue of the morality of the draft. Respectful regards.
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SPC Clark Stinson
SPC Clark Stinson
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SSG Gerhard S. - Definitely read the entire article. Yet, it mentioned President Trump as this one seen in past posts on social media, mentioning his name tends to turn into a political arguments. The comment wasn't aimed for the entire article. Yet, it's not like the draft never existed throughout human history during any wartime, just that it was never labeled as "draft". Also taken into account in the far past during wartime of any, if you're a male and that of abled age to pick up a weapon, you're definitely fighting.
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COL Carl Jensen
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People who send you out to fight for them, should be available to fight for you. That's it in a nut shell. Nuff said.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Of course we know they're not here for us.
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SSG Eric Blue
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While I'm not a fan of those who dodged the draft, I'm even less of a fan of those who dodged the draft and do their best to minimize the sacrifices of those who raised their hand and said, "this I will defend."
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
10 mo
Thank you for your comments, and for your service. Did you read the article? Just curious.
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SSG Eric Blue
SSG Eric Blue
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SSG Gerhard S. I did. It was longer than I expected, but I appreciate you defining servitude and slavery.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for sharing your perspective.
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SP5 Delphis Kaczowski
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Someone has to go or we will NOT be a Democracy. What I don't like is using a medical excuse of a "Heel Spur" with NO x-ray proof and then playing 18 holes of golf. Personally, I think every citizen should contribute some time to the Country in some way.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Firstly, thank you for your service. Respectfully, though, I'm not sure I understand your comment. Are you saying we can only maintain a democracy by mandatorily forcing servitude upon our citizens?

While I agree service is commendable, I also believe it should be voluntary. Lastly, a question: Aren't people being of service to the country simply by being law abiding, productive members of society?
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SP5 Delphis Kaczowski
SP5 Delphis Kaczowski
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This country CANNOT match "CHINA'S five (5) million man army combined with Russia's Three (3) million man army with a "VOLUNTEER" American military. A draft board has to be able to choose the civilians the service needs from local communities if a world war breaks out again. If you have a better method of protecting our Democracy, let us all in on the secret.
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LCpl Richard Lally
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I cannot understand your feelings But, only mine those who skipped out made a choice and THat is what this country is all about. Remember, this is an apathetic society Damm us but one evader even grew up to be POTUS for 2 terms Live as if this never happened and LIVE the rest of your life in happiness and calm without the extra grief.
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LTC George Morgan
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The biggest problem is knowing which is real & what is bogus. One person or yells danger does it make it so. RVN backed into a communist system most of them did not want. Like most projects there are different view of the end result. Military Engineers I know used to keep a cartoon showing different results of a project on their wall. One figure showed customer desire, one engineer, another the reality of what was possible, etc. Pin point what you want before determining. Parties involved is what I am referring to. Served in South RVN in 71/72, Europe 69/71. As an IMA I was involved in number of other projects over the years. Got involved in DOI projects and the same rules applied.
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