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Posted on Jul 19, 2018
SSG Gerhard S.
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Brian Smith
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Draft dodging is a federal felony with no statute of limitations. Draft avoidance, if it was done lawfully, is not. To Vietnam era people, as the undeclared war went on, it became clear we were not in it to win it. Killing a Commie for mommy without the will to defeat the enemy was not going to get the same patriotic reaction as we saw in WWII or even Korea. So no, I don’t look down on those who used lawful deferments.
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SSG Rochard Gonzales
SSG Rochard Gonzales
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Brian, the man I am speaking DID NOT use ‘legal’ deferments, but rather paid a doctor to write a false medical condition. Not only is the person in question guilty of a felony but the doctor should be as well.
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Brian Smith
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As the war went on, I think that sort of situation was more common than we realize. Didn’t make it right or legal. Still, I don’t recall the government going after deferment cheats. They went hard after those without legal deferments who were drafted, but refused to report.
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SMSgt Bob W.
SMSgt Bob W.
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Gentlemen, President Carter [sic!] solved that with a stroke of a pin. He gave "amnesty" to all "draft dodgers". CASE CLOSED.
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LTC Scott Sossaman
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A military draft unless compulsory for everyone regardless of physical or mental condition, doesn't fit either definition. Even during the Great Wars, Korean and Vietnam Wars, there were numerous legal ways to get a deferment. Most European countries until recently, had compulsory military service, but you could still get out of it. Even the old Soviet Empire had compulsory service, yet studies have shown that only about 75% of it's eligible male citizenry served. Registration for the draft is still compulsory for all males at 18 years of age and there is growing agreement that women should also register. The only way we would actually invoke the draft at this point, was if our nations survival was at risk.
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Capt Edward Egan
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While we had the draft it was the law, so compliance was required. I'm not upset with those who gamed the system, but I don't agree with them. For those who refused and accepted the consequences, I have disagreement, but respect. Those who cut and ran, however, deserve nothing but scorn. Carter's first act as President was an act of treason, when he pardoned the draft dodgers and brought them home from Canada and elsewhere.
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I will never forget and I will never forgive. I'm old RA United States Army.
SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for your comment, I appreciate your perspective.
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SPC Michael Terrell
SPC Michael Terrell
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I was US. I was rejected and given five 4F ratings. Two years later, I was drafted. My MOS was engineering, and I was often told, 'you're not very GI!' I would look them in the eye and tell them, "I'm US, I was rejected, then drafted so get over your sorry self. I do my job well and on time." Most refused to believe that I had tested out of a three year engineering school, but my skills were why they drafted a 20 year old in spite of my health issues. I wasn't afraiid to rock the boat, and I didn't put up with any crap. I got along with about 99% of those I served with, both RA and US. The ones I despised were the 'If you haven't been in combat, you aren't a real soldier' types. Anyone who served, could die while in the service. Even so called REMFs in jobs like mine died in Vietnam when their section was hit by a missile. One piece of equipment that was shipped to me in Alaska was a Gates TV transmitter with bullet holes from a station that was overrun. I was supposed to be assigned to an AFRTS station in Vietnam, but was diverted to a place where you risked dying from several cold weather for more than half of the year. I left active duty after two years, because my MOS was being turned over to civilians. I was SP4 at 18 months and I have a letter of Commendation from a two star General for my work in Alaska.
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SSG Aircraft Mechanic
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Since this just popped up in my notifications I’d just like to add that anyone who tries holding legal deferments against Pres. Trump can’t say crap this cycle if they don’t hold it against Biden.
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SMSgt Bob W.
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SPC Albert Blosser - As did Biden's for his college deferment; however, he also had a medical issue.
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SPC Albert Blosser
SPC Albert Blosser
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Biden's Medical issue was legitimate. Big difference
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SMSgt Bob W.
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SPC Albert Blosser - Al, I don't buy a deferment for either; you are either qualified to service or you're not. It's the same old story--money talks. The "fat one," not the "senile one" should have served after college. I had friends who got married to get out of the military [a lot of them ended in divorce, especially when the Selective Service stated you must have a child to be exempt for the draft.].
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SPC Albert Blosser
SPC Albert Blosser
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SMSgt Bob W. - Biden had been diagnosed as a child with asthma which was an automatic rejection of ability to serve. I have a grandson who also was diagnosed with asthma, he went on to excel in football and basketball clear into college. He did have an inhaler on the sideline for safety. But he would be ineligible to join the service.
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SFC Mark Klaers
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If you fit into a recognized category that exempts you from service, then so be it. If YOU have a problem with that, then work politically to have those deferments removed. Until then, mind your damn business.
Those of you who blatantly turned your back on your country should be turning big rocks into little rocks still today. I don't see the difference between you and Jane Fonda.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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So, Involuntary servitude, or prison? Such great choices for those in the "Land of the Free".
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SFC Mark Klaers
SFC Mark Klaers
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For deferments, no. LEGAL reasons for not serving are fine. I personally wouldn't do it. But if you break the law, you need to go to jail. If you don't like the law, campaign politically to change it. However, if you lose in the political arena, then obey the law and report.
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SGT Rafael Morales
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I was drafted and I went willingly to serve because as a Cuban born citizen. I love freedom.
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CPO Jack De Merit
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There is a big difference between those who DODGED THE DRAFT and those who received deferments. The Draft Dodgers were the ones who rioted, spit on returning Veterans and ran like little babies to Canada. When I returned via plane to LAX after my fourth deployment to Vietnam, I was greeted by a dimwit at the airport who spit on my shoes to honor my uniform. I walked up close to him after calling me a woman and baby killer, pointed down at my shoes and asked him why he spit on them. Because you are a baby killer her yelled. I told him to look at the spit on my shoes and asked him if he would wipe it off because I was not a baby killer. When he looked down I gave him an upper cut that broke his jaw and knocked him out. Two of his friends hurried over to an airport guard and accused me of Assault and Battery. Three different older gentlemen stepped up to the guard and told him that it was the other way around. The injured man had assaulted me and I just defended myself against someone who was 6 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier than I. After everything was cleared away I asked the three men why they had defended me. They started by thanking me for my service and said that they had all served in World War II. I thanked them for their service and for defending me with the guard.

I am sorry to say that most of my male cousins took off for Canada. The two who didn't were both medically unfit to serve. My aunts and uncles asked me why I enlisted. I told them to pay my country back for all the benefits and freedoms that I received because I was born in the U.S.A. and did not have to earn them. That was why I did six tours in Vietnam and remained in the Navy for 28 years and 9 months.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for your ongoing, and voluntary service, and for having to endure the ingrates who confronted you upon your return.

I agree: There is a difference between deferments, and running off to another country, to avoid being forced to serve. One was deemed legal by politicians, the other not. The first, tended to keep the more well-to-do from forced service, the latter kept the less wealthy, and less well connected the same "benefit".

I think it's great that there are people like you, and I, who volunteered to serve, but service, isn't for everyone. I'm sure you've seen some draftees, and volunteers alike, who had no business being in the military... I know I have. I was Infantry/ Long Range Surveillance, and frankly, I'm glad I had men with me in Iraq, who volunteered, and wanted to be there.

There's no way to confuse voluntary service forced service. The difference doesn't lie in the laws made by politicians, but rather in the heart, and mind of the one serving. Conflating these two different issues, voluntary service, vs forced servitude, does the first, a disservice.

General Westmoreland once said (paraphrasing) a all volunteer force would be akin to a Mercenary force, to which Milton Freidman replied, that's better than an army of slaves.

Respectful regards, thank you for your often repeated voluntary service to our great country. And thank you for sharing your thoughts, and experiences on this, often sensitive issue.
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/milton-friedman-centennial-appreciation
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PFC Kimberly Staiti
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I am a female veteran and I don't have much to add. I agree completely. An all-volunteer force means we all want to be here.

The problem I see is that cash talks.

If we don't have enough volunteers (because they are so out of shape that it's dangerous for them to attempt Basic Training or Boot Camp.

We already use contractors. We have since 2003, at least. My brother in law is an Army veteran who repaired choppers for $20, 25k a year. He signed on as a contractor in Iraq doing the same job for ten times the money. They work right by the military, so the camaraderie still exists.

Are you concerned about developing a warrior culture separate from everyone else that does our fighting for us.? (For a price.)

The dilemma is one I hope that we won't face, but I feel we need to address it.

Hired guns don't take an oath. There are so many veterans seething because Putin put a bounty on US military service members to the Taliban fighters and after POTUS was informed, he tried to get Russia in the G7& failed but still invited Putin to visit. That's when our POTUS seemed to establish his bromance with the leader of a superpower. Regardless, we must change his mind!
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SSG Gerhard S.
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You were doing so well... Right up until you switched a cogent, and reasonable statement into a partisan political one. There was nothing partisan about the article, it's premise, OR it's content. It seems some people just can't help themselves. Respectful regards.
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PFC Kimberly Staiti
PFC Kimberly Staiti
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SSG Gerhard S. My fault. That's on me, 100%

Generally, I steer clear of political statements on military sites because we didn't talk about politics when I was serving. That is until it got personal and my people were neck-deep in Iran-Contra and the dilemma of lawful v. unlawful orders hit us all right to the solar plexus.

Our nation has never faced the possibility of a CIC who was unfit for the office. I can't make the call, but I have to beg the question because of my oath.

I would like to dismiss any thoughts on it, but even Nam didn't get coverage like this with the disturbing instability of out top tier leaders who are deeply respected for their personal accomplishments and achievements during their time in service and for their personal interactions with the troops in current armed conflicts. I've lost count of the experienced, wise, respected, honored men who resigned from (or were fired from ) this administration. These career servant-warriors are ~revered~ by the troops they led and ~ridiculed~ by our CIC. The tension is real. It's tangible.

How are other top tier commanders supposed to lead the troops who entrusted their lives to these extraordinary men who are now openly, publicly, frequently belittled and ridiculed by our CIC?

The behaviour of POTUS must be assessed by each of us. It is our obligation. It is our very duty, despite the discomfort and unease we carry because of the tradition never to question the person who holds that office.

The facts are facts. This is not a mutiny or coup. We are encountering the unprecedented phenomenon of a CIC who lives without repercussions while his military is undermined by his own actions.

Is it political? Really, is this topic two-sided? I am sincerely asking.

I know that I am not the only one who is questioning the action I am duty-bound to take in the light of the behaviour of our President.

I am stunned and ashamed by the treatment of so many honourable people disparaged and replaced by POTUS with lesser men who do not ~comprehend~ what it means to fulfill their ~duty~

We are in truly perilous times.

Thoughts?
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PFC Kimberly Staiti
PFC Kimberly Staiti
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1SG Walter Craig Solid point. Thank you, 1SG
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SPC Christopher Perrien
SPC Christopher Perrien
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Two notes: The Putin thing on bounties has been discredited. Also ,as to "contractors" . The ones who are on Naval reserve, or DoD contracted ships do sign the same "Ship Articles" that the US merchant marine has for sailors. I was kinda surpised at that. I was a civ DoD mechanic on a Marine RDF RO/RO ship out in the Pacific for a year. (lotta fun), but i was bound by those "Articles" for that time, and "federalized' in so many words.
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SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt
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how long do you want to stay pissed off
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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It appears some want to take it to their graves.
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SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt
SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt
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I am 75 years old. Did 2 years in the Nam and 30 in the Fire Department. At this point I want to enjoy a good shot of Bourbon and a cigar and be left to my few vices that am still able to get with
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SPC Albert Blosser
SPC Albert Blosser
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SSG Gerhard S. - I will take it to the graves of the 56 men from my company who died.
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SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt
SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt
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SPC Albert Blosser - Read some things from Marcus Aurelius on being a Stoic and how to let things go
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