Posted on Jul 29, 2018
Sinking Standards And Indoctrination: A Veteran's View Of The College Experience
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When I graduated high school I immediately enlisted in the military. After months completing OSUT at Fort Knox, Kentucky, and a brief vacation home for HRAP, I was stationed at Fort Hood, Texas. Over the next few years, my education would come in the form of deployments, field training exercises, structured self-development courses, and professional development schools. I wanted something more though. I looked forward to a time where my career would be at such an optempo as to allow for me to complete my formal civilian education. That time never came. Instead, I found myself medically retired at the age of twenty-four. After a brief stint of wallowing in my own self-pity, I decided to get my life back on track and, ten years after graduating high school, I found myself front and center in a college classroom.
I had previously imagined how college would be. I was never a great student in high school; more often than not, I was a slacker who managed to skate by with good test scores. In my head, I thought that, at best, I would be roughly a B student if I put some real effort into my work. Due to the VA educational benefits that I had earned, I did not have to split my time between working some part time job to pay the bills and use my spare time to complete schoolwork. No, I could completely dedicate myself to my studies. I soon found that my vision of what college would be was nothing close to the reality of it.
I soon found that I was not expected to put in the kind of effort that I had set out to do. Surrounded by hordes of young kids, ranging in ages between 18 and 22 mostly, I was easily one of the oldest people in each classroom. Most of the students didn’t do the assigned readings, turned in homework late, and scored terribly on midterms and finals; did they know something I didn’t? Yes, they did. It would seem that the American education system had morphed from a place to broaden one’s formal education and promote critical thinking to a daycare of sorts where these teenagers and early-twenty-somethings could prolong their childhoods for a few more years while the teachers, in what can only be rationalized as an effort to keep their jobs “useful”, tossed passing grades on to transcripts. Eventually, without learning how to even properly format a paper, these students would graduate with Bachelor’s Degrees in their various disciplines. This is not at all an exaggeration, sadly.
Just recently, I completed a condensed three credit hour course during the summer 2018 semester. I didn’t have to study, I didn’t open up the books after the first week, and I spent most of the lecture time arguing with the professor. I ended up with a final grade of over 99%. How did this happen? Well, because the course was simple to begin with. I was always going to get a low ‘A’, but the reason that it was nearly a perfect grade was because the professor continually added extra points to exams and assignments in order to ensure that every student received a passing grade. If this sounds asinine to you, it should. The idiotic professor’s disgusting and intellectually dishonest practice allowed me to receive a 121% on an exam just so a few more undeserving idiots could pass. This is what the American education system has become.
Now, I have spoken before about a professor that I have become quite close to; in fact, if it were not for our professional, student-teacher relationship, I may go as far as to say we were friends. She has not yet been taken in by this system of inflating grades to ensure the survival of her position, but even she has voiced how the standards that students are being held to are abysmal at best. Reading comprehension is non-existent, the ability to write a coherent paper of over a page and a half is rare, and it would seem that grades are seen, by students, as not earned by virtue of hard-work and demonstrated understanding but rather they are bought and paid for via their tuition. This may be a symptom of the rampant entitlement that seems to be almost ubiquitous amongst this up and coming generation. Sadly, I belong to this generation.
At the very same time that students are being shuffled through their university education, many professors take the opportunity to vomit their vile personal beliefs from the lectern. In the army we always joked about fighting communists as if it were a thing of the distant past, but it would seem alive and well. I never imagined having to defend the American way of life in a classroom and yet, time after time, I find myself defending the constitution, capitalism, and the rule of law from whole groups who believe that the founding fathers had it all wrong. If the fact that students were getting unearned diplomas was not enough to anger me, listening to students and professors preach the many blessings of communism surely did the trick.
After two more semesters I will graduate with my BA in English; I am on track to graduate with honors. I will be throwing my application for admission to a short list of institutions and I have no doubt that I will be allowed to attend one of them. I can only hope that graduate school will not be tainted with the same practices as undergrad.
If attending college has taught me one thing so far, it is that traditional, four year degrees should not be sought by everyone. In fact, I have become a firm believer in the value of technical schools and trades. Were it possible to go into my field, teaching, without a liberal arts degree, I would. What has become apparent is that the often spoken lie that one cannot be a success without a college degree has been espoused so many times that we all seem to believe it and that is sad. I have an entire group of very close friends who have never attended college, some of them dropped out of high school, and they are all on their way to making far more money in their careers than I can ever hope to make as a college English professor. Perhaps we would be better off if students understood the value of some of these careers or at least understood the necessity of hard work.
I had previously imagined how college would be. I was never a great student in high school; more often than not, I was a slacker who managed to skate by with good test scores. In my head, I thought that, at best, I would be roughly a B student if I put some real effort into my work. Due to the VA educational benefits that I had earned, I did not have to split my time between working some part time job to pay the bills and use my spare time to complete schoolwork. No, I could completely dedicate myself to my studies. I soon found that my vision of what college would be was nothing close to the reality of it.
I soon found that I was not expected to put in the kind of effort that I had set out to do. Surrounded by hordes of young kids, ranging in ages between 18 and 22 mostly, I was easily one of the oldest people in each classroom. Most of the students didn’t do the assigned readings, turned in homework late, and scored terribly on midterms and finals; did they know something I didn’t? Yes, they did. It would seem that the American education system had morphed from a place to broaden one’s formal education and promote critical thinking to a daycare of sorts where these teenagers and early-twenty-somethings could prolong their childhoods for a few more years while the teachers, in what can only be rationalized as an effort to keep their jobs “useful”, tossed passing grades on to transcripts. Eventually, without learning how to even properly format a paper, these students would graduate with Bachelor’s Degrees in their various disciplines. This is not at all an exaggeration, sadly.
Just recently, I completed a condensed three credit hour course during the summer 2018 semester. I didn’t have to study, I didn’t open up the books after the first week, and I spent most of the lecture time arguing with the professor. I ended up with a final grade of over 99%. How did this happen? Well, because the course was simple to begin with. I was always going to get a low ‘A’, but the reason that it was nearly a perfect grade was because the professor continually added extra points to exams and assignments in order to ensure that every student received a passing grade. If this sounds asinine to you, it should. The idiotic professor’s disgusting and intellectually dishonest practice allowed me to receive a 121% on an exam just so a few more undeserving idiots could pass. This is what the American education system has become.
Now, I have spoken before about a professor that I have become quite close to; in fact, if it were not for our professional, student-teacher relationship, I may go as far as to say we were friends. She has not yet been taken in by this system of inflating grades to ensure the survival of her position, but even she has voiced how the standards that students are being held to are abysmal at best. Reading comprehension is non-existent, the ability to write a coherent paper of over a page and a half is rare, and it would seem that grades are seen, by students, as not earned by virtue of hard-work and demonstrated understanding but rather they are bought and paid for via their tuition. This may be a symptom of the rampant entitlement that seems to be almost ubiquitous amongst this up and coming generation. Sadly, I belong to this generation.
At the very same time that students are being shuffled through their university education, many professors take the opportunity to vomit their vile personal beliefs from the lectern. In the army we always joked about fighting communists as if it were a thing of the distant past, but it would seem alive and well. I never imagined having to defend the American way of life in a classroom and yet, time after time, I find myself defending the constitution, capitalism, and the rule of law from whole groups who believe that the founding fathers had it all wrong. If the fact that students were getting unearned diplomas was not enough to anger me, listening to students and professors preach the many blessings of communism surely did the trick.
After two more semesters I will graduate with my BA in English; I am on track to graduate with honors. I will be throwing my application for admission to a short list of institutions and I have no doubt that I will be allowed to attend one of them. I can only hope that graduate school will not be tainted with the same practices as undergrad.
If attending college has taught me one thing so far, it is that traditional, four year degrees should not be sought by everyone. In fact, I have become a firm believer in the value of technical schools and trades. Were it possible to go into my field, teaching, without a liberal arts degree, I would. What has become apparent is that the often spoken lie that one cannot be a success without a college degree has been espoused so many times that we all seem to believe it and that is sad. I have an entire group of very close friends who have never attended college, some of them dropped out of high school, and they are all on their way to making far more money in their careers than I can ever hope to make as a college English professor. Perhaps we would be better off if students understood the value of some of these careers or at least understood the necessity of hard work.
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How far along are you in your degree program?
Seeing as how your example you posted below is a 100 level course, maybe it just wasn't that difficult.
Did the same thing happen in you 300 and 400 level courses?
Seeing as how your example you posted below is a 100 level course, maybe it just wasn't that difficult.
Did the same thing happen in you 300 and 400 level courses?
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
I am currently just a few credits shy of being a senior. I have seen similar practices in high level courses though. Even without high courses going about it the same way, I find it just as upsetting due to the fact that these lower courses are meant to provide the foundation or building block for higher order courses. Blowing smoke up the asses of atudents at the 100 level only cripples them when entering the 2-3-400 level courses.
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PO1 (Join to see)
SGT Joseph Gunderson - That is interesting. I know my 100 and 200 level were not as serious as my "core" classes.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
PO1 (Join to see) - I don't believe that there is any 100 level course that is as "serious" as a 300 or 400 but no class should be a thanks for showing up now here is your passing grade kind of course.
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I retired in 2011 and had earned close to 190 credit hours of college equivalent credits. However, they were scattered all over the place, between science, English, criminal law,,,you name it. And I still didn't even have an associates! I decided to take advantage of my Post 911 bill, even though a degree was not needed. I was, by far, the oldest student in my classes, many times, even older than the Professors. I was working full time during the day and attending classes in the evening which turned out pretty good as there were a lot of working students doing the same thing. There were many "out of High school" students as well and the difference between them and the rest of the working students were blatantly obvious!
Group projects were a nightmare, so much that I would start each course, requesting that I would be allowed to go "Lone Ranger" on group assignments. They all allowed me that luxury and I always was at the top of the class. As a whole, most of the Professors I had would not allow a student to skate. That's not to say some didn't and then there were some courses that were too elementary that effort to attend was the hardest thing required. However, before I retired, I attended a different college which is known to be extremely liberal, in the state. Extra credit was always given on tests and assignments were rarely turned in. I attended three classes at that school and absolutely believed it was a waste of time and money.
Group projects were a nightmare, so much that I would start each course, requesting that I would be allowed to go "Lone Ranger" on group assignments. They all allowed me that luxury and I always was at the top of the class. As a whole, most of the Professors I had would not allow a student to skate. That's not to say some didn't and then there were some courses that were too elementary that effort to attend was the hardest thing required. However, before I retired, I attended a different college which is known to be extremely liberal, in the state. Extra credit was always given on tests and assignments were rarely turned in. I attended three classes at that school and absolutely believed it was a waste of time and money.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SFC William "Bill" Moore - I have not personally had any prior service professors yet. I was invited by one of the professors in the MBA program to do a presentation and tutor his students though; he was a prior service CAPT in the Coast Guard. Great man. He and I saw eye to eye on a lot of the issues that I have brought up in this piece and more.
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SPC Trish Sugas-Lopez
SFC Moore: Someone who gets it. Your experiences echoed my own. By the time I received my BSN, I had well over 240 credit hours, which gives me more perspective, I believe, than most.
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SPC Trish Sugas-Lopez
SSgt Baptist, (Sorry, I don't know how to highlight your name in response), I totally hear you. My reasons in comparison with yours are rather lame, though. When my reenlistment came up in Frankfurt, shortly after Desert Storm, the military was actively downsizing, and I was told I would not be able to just straight reenlist, as my job was being phased out/civilianized, I would have to choose a new MOS. So instead of taking what was offered, (essentially peeling potatoes for the chow hall) I decided to get out and pursue a civilian education and career. (Something, I may add, that I have regretted many times over since then).
But like that article someone else posted this morning ("How veterans screw up college,") along the way I switched majors 3 times before graduating with my associates in Admin Justice. Mainly it was due to location (high desert areas surrounding Ft Irwin, which are pretty much dead areas for starting a career outside the military) and just basically not knowing what direction I wanted to go in.
So I went back to school to start doing prerequisites for the nursing program and the mostly Sciences prereqs for the university I chose, (physics, biochem, organic chem, statistics, advanced mathmatics, et) weren't as easy as taking a full schedule and doing as well as I was able to do in the easy peasy liberal arts side of the house. So I feel like I've been able to see things from both sides of the fence. When all was said and done, I spent an exorbitant amount of time (12 yr journey) just to finally walk away with my Bachelors in Science.
But like that article someone else posted this morning ("How veterans screw up college,") along the way I switched majors 3 times before graduating with my associates in Admin Justice. Mainly it was due to location (high desert areas surrounding Ft Irwin, which are pretty much dead areas for starting a career outside the military) and just basically not knowing what direction I wanted to go in.
So I went back to school to start doing prerequisites for the nursing program and the mostly Sciences prereqs for the university I chose, (physics, biochem, organic chem, statistics, advanced mathmatics, et) weren't as easy as taking a full schedule and doing as well as I was able to do in the easy peasy liberal arts side of the house. So I feel like I've been able to see things from both sides of the fence. When all was said and done, I spent an exorbitant amount of time (12 yr journey) just to finally walk away with my Bachelors in Science.
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SPC Trish Sugas-Lopez
So true. I was heartbroken because I loved the army but I was too prideful to accept a position in the chow hall, doing dishes and peeling potatoes, after I waited 8 mos for my specialty to come up just to enlist. I paid for it, though. It was my fault, therefore, it was my loss. I have never been satisfied with civilian work. I miss the work ethics of the military. The structure. Probably one of the fairest jobs out there. You do the work; you put in the time, you make the effort and you are rewarded. (usually).
Yeah, the whole Fort Irwin and Barstow deal! Such a dead area! Even if you had had some wheels....Barstow wasn't exactly a hopping city, lol. It certainly wasn't Vegas.
I tried to get back in soon after I'd gotten out, but none of the recruiters wanted to deal with prior service. Even after I had my BSN in nursing, I still tried to get back in to serve those brave men and women coming home from Afghanistan, but the recruiters were only interested in the 20 somethings. Too much paperwork. Didn't return my calls. It's a shame. This time it was their fault. They missed out on a great soldier.
Yeah, the whole Fort Irwin and Barstow deal! Such a dead area! Even if you had had some wheels....Barstow wasn't exactly a hopping city, lol. It certainly wasn't Vegas.
I tried to get back in soon after I'd gotten out, but none of the recruiters wanted to deal with prior service. Even after I had my BSN in nursing, I still tried to get back in to serve those brave men and women coming home from Afghanistan, but the recruiters were only interested in the 20 somethings. Too much paperwork. Didn't return my calls. It's a shame. This time it was their fault. They missed out on a great soldier.
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Great article. Pretty much sums up one of the biggest existential problems in America.
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I had high testing scores throughout school, but declining grades entering HS. I graduated in the middle of the "pack" and was content to do so. I had no academic field in mind to pursue. I was not motivated enough for college right out of HS. I figured that I would enter the service, although having no specific specialty in mind. Things changed for me when my dad brought home an Army Aviation Digest right before I started my senior year and I latched onto the idea that I wanted to be a helicopter pilot. The Army was looking for "warm bodies" in several specialties while the Vietnam conflict was going on, which made it relatively easy to get into aviation to pursue my "dream". I stayed in the Army for 8 years and had two overseas tours before I got out to get some college under the GI Bill. The GI Bill helped me obtain extensive civilian aviation training which supplemented my prior military skills - making me an SME in a couple of competitive areas that helped my career.
I started College ten years out of HS, and was glad that my years in the military taught me the discipline and hard work ethic that allowed me to do very well my studies. I also felt that there had been somewhat of a decline in the English and writing skills among students since my HS days, which made iit easier to excel in some courses. While I was in school, I joined the National Guard to help suppliment my costs. After graduation and some civilian employment, I had a chance to become AGR (active duty in the National Guard), to complete my military service.
I started College ten years out of HS, and was glad that my years in the military taught me the discipline and hard work ethic that allowed me to do very well my studies. I also felt that there had been somewhat of a decline in the English and writing skills among students since my HS days, which made iit easier to excel in some courses. While I was in school, I joined the National Guard to help suppliment my costs. After graduation and some civilian employment, I had a chance to become AGR (active duty in the National Guard), to complete my military service.
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That sound like when i went to College in 76 for a couple of semesters, nothing new here.
And there is now doubt that having a degree makes you less likely to be unemployed and likely to make more money.
And there is now doubt that having a degree makes you less likely to be unemployed and likely to make more money.
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Using a liberal arts degree to measure current college standards is about as useful as use a fresh out of OTC officer to measure all officers. Everyone has known liberal arts degrees are a joke since the 90s. What did this guy expect?
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PO3 (Join to see)
Ok, first let me explain the analogy, new officers are considered a joke by most just like liberal arts degrees are viewed in college. Second although yes English is an important subject it is still considered a liberal arts degree. This is because the English curriculum is mostly made up of classes where the important part of the class is forming an opinion and being able to rationally explain and defend it. That is the major purpose of English and other liberal arts classes, to teach people how to explain themselves. Of course the classes are going to be graded easier than a class where you need to reach a set answer. That was the point I was trying to make with my analogy, that liberal arts majors are not a fair representation of the standards of a college. Trust me the grading for math and science is just as strict as the first time I tried college 10 years ago before joining the navy. Also honest question where around are you going to school? Because I'm at a community college in California and I haven't witnessed anywhere near the level of liberal preaching you seem to have dealt with...
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
PO3 (Join to see) - Okay, 1.) none of my English courses have had much of anything to do with opinion. Comprehension and the ability to recall. There is very little opinion and argument when you are describing the dates of various literary periods, who an author was, or the foundations for the writing. In the message of pieces perhaps, but I cannot say that Adam Bede is pro abortion just because I feel like it. 2.) What makes you believe that grading ANYTHING easier is acceptable? 3.) I attend KWU, a private Methodist university; I foolishly thought that I would encounter less left-wing BS at a Christian school but I was mistaken.
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SPC Trish Sugas-Lopez
PO3 (Join to see) - I didn't do ANY liberal arts outside of what was required, yet if the students don't get a handout from the instructor, then they get it from each other. All of the 20-something students that I witnessed in the university nursing school, made it through by cheating. IOW, "if the teacher isn't going to hand me extra credit, then I'm going to take the grades anyway." I fail to see the difference.
The instructors would have to be blind as bats to not see the looks, and especially the transferring of test answers on papers, to each other, the whisperings, et from the same students who struggled to get through their prerequisites, who are, miraculously, once in nursing school, straight A students. In my opinion, they CHOSE to turn a blind eye and then hold the older students not involved in the nonsense, to a much, much higher standard. So, again, I fail to truly see the difference. It doesn't have to be liberal arts to be liberal.
The instructors would have to be blind as bats to not see the looks, and especially the transferring of test answers on papers, to each other, the whisperings, et from the same students who struggled to get through their prerequisites, who are, miraculously, once in nursing school, straight A students. In my opinion, they CHOSE to turn a blind eye and then hold the older students not involved in the nonsense, to a much, much higher standard. So, again, I fail to truly see the difference. It doesn't have to be liberal arts to be liberal.
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SGT Mary G.
SPC Trish Sugas-Lopez - One can only hope the profs know, and instead of saying something put it in the student records . . . thus you all who wanted to meet higher standards and were held to them would have had that in your records too, and reaped the benefits the other students did not have.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson Interesting topic and discussion comments. I know this post is over a year old, but I have had serious conversations with Soldiers attempting to complete college courses on AD and in conjunction with reserve benefits.
Like Lt Col Charlie Brown and LTC Kevin B., I would have to disagree with your broad assertion of the watering down of higher education. It is simple economics. There are more young people graduating high school now than ever before, the demand for college education is higher, and thus quality institutions can not keep up. To fill that demand, universities are growing too rapidly and new ones are popping up every year. Accrediting bodies can not keep up, and thus reviews of curriculum and performance become less intensive or more infrequent. Some institutions slip through the cracks or seek out "lower quality" accreditation.
I will also disagree with your view and characterization of personal beliefs of professors and your fellow students as vile. Disagreement and conversation is the heart of higher education. If you found opportunities to share your point of view and were able to disagree with opinions presented, you successfully engaged in the academic enterprise. I would dare say you got your money's worth. Conversely, if you were uncomfortable with the opinions of others and dismissed them out of hand, you missed the point. It is the duty of educators to stretch students' perception of the world around them by challenging their beliefs. Indoctrination is not mandatory, life is about choices. If student's don't question what is presented to them, that is their problem, not yours.
I will, however, agree with your statement "four year degrees should not be sought by everyone". I think the societal concept of 'college = success' is being leveraged to make higher education seem like an entitlement or right (which leads to ideas such as free education or repayment of student loans). This can be evidenced by extreme shortages in many states of skilled trade professionals. But, trade work isn't glamorized in popular culture. More and more students cite the college experience as one of the top reasons for going there in the first place.
Do bad institutions and professors exist? Sure, but the CHE and DOE at the state and federal levels are trying hard to crack down on predatory colleges and accrediting bodies are constantly revisiting evaluation standards to ensure learning outcomes are being enforced. University departments are trying to find new and creative ways to evaluate teaching effectiveness that improves the student outcomes and do not rely solely on grade distribution and student evaluations of teachers while reducing bias in the results. If you know a better way, get involved. But, I would say that if you found your college experience lacking and way too easy, you shot at a target below your weight class.
Using your college experience to label the entire higher education industry is tantamount to using your '99 Kia Rio to suggest that automakers aren't making an effort to design quality driving machines.
Like Lt Col Charlie Brown and LTC Kevin B., I would have to disagree with your broad assertion of the watering down of higher education. It is simple economics. There are more young people graduating high school now than ever before, the demand for college education is higher, and thus quality institutions can not keep up. To fill that demand, universities are growing too rapidly and new ones are popping up every year. Accrediting bodies can not keep up, and thus reviews of curriculum and performance become less intensive or more infrequent. Some institutions slip through the cracks or seek out "lower quality" accreditation.
I will also disagree with your view and characterization of personal beliefs of professors and your fellow students as vile. Disagreement and conversation is the heart of higher education. If you found opportunities to share your point of view and were able to disagree with opinions presented, you successfully engaged in the academic enterprise. I would dare say you got your money's worth. Conversely, if you were uncomfortable with the opinions of others and dismissed them out of hand, you missed the point. It is the duty of educators to stretch students' perception of the world around them by challenging their beliefs. Indoctrination is not mandatory, life is about choices. If student's don't question what is presented to them, that is their problem, not yours.
I will, however, agree with your statement "four year degrees should not be sought by everyone". I think the societal concept of 'college = success' is being leveraged to make higher education seem like an entitlement or right (which leads to ideas such as free education or repayment of student loans). This can be evidenced by extreme shortages in many states of skilled trade professionals. But, trade work isn't glamorized in popular culture. More and more students cite the college experience as one of the top reasons for going there in the first place.
Do bad institutions and professors exist? Sure, but the CHE and DOE at the state and federal levels are trying hard to crack down on predatory colleges and accrediting bodies are constantly revisiting evaluation standards to ensure learning outcomes are being enforced. University departments are trying to find new and creative ways to evaluate teaching effectiveness that improves the student outcomes and do not rely solely on grade distribution and student evaluations of teachers while reducing bias in the results. If you know a better way, get involved. But, I would say that if you found your college experience lacking and way too easy, you shot at a target below your weight class.
Using your college experience to label the entire higher education industry is tantamount to using your '99 Kia Rio to suggest that automakers aren't making an effort to design quality driving machines.
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SGM William Everroad
SGT Joseph Gunderson Good talk. I always wanted a firebird.
In regards to your point about indoctrination, have you considered that perhaps many of those students not speaking up against the presented viewpoints actually agreed with them and disagreed with yours? There tends to be more progressive people going into higher education than conservative, and more progressive students, especially at high level institutions, attending so the odds that the majority of people in any given class may actually agree with the professor are extremely high.
When we characterize others beliefs as radical or vile, we set the tone of the debate. Even if unvoiced, such distinctions can be heard in our arguments. The first rule of debate, know your opponent's argument and basis for belief. Try arguing for socialism and you may see why supporters believe the way they do and can then craft a more persuasive counter argument and they may see your point of view.
In regards to your point about indoctrination, have you considered that perhaps many of those students not speaking up against the presented viewpoints actually agreed with them and disagreed with yours? There tends to be more progressive people going into higher education than conservative, and more progressive students, especially at high level institutions, attending so the odds that the majority of people in any given class may actually agree with the professor are extremely high.
When we characterize others beliefs as radical or vile, we set the tone of the debate. Even if unvoiced, such distinctions can be heard in our arguments. The first rule of debate, know your opponent's argument and basis for belief. Try arguing for socialism and you may see why supporters believe the way they do and can then craft a more persuasive counter argument and they may see your point of view.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SGM William Everroad - I don't doubt that many students agreed with the positions presented by the faculty. In fact, I am almost positive the majority of them did. What worries me is they have not attempted to delve into the ideologies themselves. These students have been spoon-fed an agenda, beginning in elementary school, and have not been taught how to get to the crux of any particular subject. Furthermore, even if they have been given the "tools" to examine these ideas, too many don't find the process worthwhile or feel as though they are only inviting issues if they were to come to positions counter to those of their superiors. I understand the argument for socialism, but it is one that is founded on awful principles. I have also read into the end-state of socialism; Solzhenitsyn's "Gulag Archipelago" is something I believe all students should be reading in high school.
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SGM William Everroad
SGT Joseph Gunderson - I would have to agree with you. I think it is a societal thing that pushes us to create like-minded individuals rather than free-thinkers. The downside is that free-thinkers are celebrated as rogues and delight in battling the 'establishment' ideals and tend to reject rational arguments.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SGM William Everroad - I am all for rational arguments. I am actually more than willing to change my views based on logic, but too many people don't use logic. Everything is feelings. I will admit to enjoying the intellectual struggle against the dominant positions of the professoriate.
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MSgt J D McKee
SGM Verify to See---Just judging by the picture, bad I know to judge just by that, I'd say you might end up in jail for killing a dumbass, probably a professor for something ending in "studies". And the chicks would have a love/hate relationship with that uniform even if you are twice thier age...
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