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Posted on Jul 29, 2018
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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SPC Erich Guenther
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Lucky for me I branched out of Liberal Arts in my Junior Year to Business Admin which is largely conservative and also more apolitical than Liberal Arts which tends to be leaning heavily towards the Left. My memories of UW in the late 80's was the nice mini-Intifada they held in the Student Union including Reservist IDF Officers that should have behaved better, though I understand their emotional need to defend the homeland even if they are overseas in the United States.
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SGT Robert Haynes
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Sgt Gunderson, Like you I went to college after I got out, only I went several years after, and actually wrote a paper on this very subject. Students think that they should get a C for just showing up. I actually appreciated the education more going later in life. I will tell you the self- discipline that I learned on active duty help me get through the late nights studying/writing after working a 10 hour work day, then to class. Congrats on your success.
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SGT Mary G.
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Yes. I too excelled as a student after serving, for the same reasons.
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PFC David Shires
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I am currently at my second Insitution of higher learning. I can personally attest to what Sgt Gunderson is speaking of.
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PFC David Shires
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Thank You! God, I've been saying this for years. Also, I rather appreciated your verbal lexicon.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
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I r much likez engrish
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PFC David Shires
PFC David Shires
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That's my battle! Lol
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Looking back, I would do things a tad different if I had the opportunity. My approach to college was much the same as it was to high school, do just enough to pass. Chalk it up to immaturity. I will say that I learned a lot in college both in class and about life.

I was quite disappointed with graduate studies though. I was quite a bit older when I signed up for grad school, and determined to learn as much as I could. What I learned in grad school was how to conduct and document research. My biggest disappointment was in what the professors accepted/allowed from other students in my classes. We had to write a paper for each class, each term and do a presentation on our paper. What I found so disheartening was students who I assume paid someone to do the work for them as when giving their presentations, they couldn't even pronounce some of the words "they used" on their slides. The professors either didn't notice or didn't care.
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MSgt Michael Smith
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I appreciate your personal experience and agree with you in many ways. You took a similar path to me. Instead of going straight to college out of high school you went straight into the military, learned the ropes of adulthood, and then went back to school. I think what you experienced is a combination of two different things. 1) About 2/3 of the college experience is learning to be an adult --managing your schedule, being responsible, accountable, independent. You learned all this in the military so it was nothing to you in college. I'm sure your fellow students did not have similar experiences. 2) Sounds to me like you were probably a pretty smart person to begin with. You likely went to a university that wasn't challenging enough for your level of education. A different school might have changed things for you. Many colleges today are just degree-machines designed for the lowest common denominator. It's unfortunate. If you plan to go to grad school much of this will change! Be sure to select a school requisite with your abilities and trust me you will be challenged!
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CMSgt James Nolan
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SGT Joseph Gunderson I feel some of your pain. I have been (while probably twice your age LOL) plodding my way through school after dropping out/being asked to leave (potato-potaato) back in the 80s and enlisting in the Marines..
Started back at school a few yrs ago, and take a class at a time, and they are truly easy, I can say that with only 2 classes left finally LOL... I think that the ease of the classes is a combination of age and experience, and a desire to finish something (learned in military) i.e. not afraid to do the work..
I would caution you a little, because nothing posted is truly staying on the private side, and as we see all the time, posts and tweets (which I am not a fan of -all that hash tag stuff) come back to haunt us.

I applaud your efforts, and hope you kill it in grad school. With that degree, you can become the type of teacher that you would like to have had. I have been going online, because of work and still being in the service, but so far, I have been lucky and all of my professors have been solid, with either degree related experience, and/or veterans or both. It is sad, but we do live in an environment of "everyone gets a prize". That is all well and good until the proverbial shit hits the fan, then we need folks who actually know what they are doing....

Best of luck
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
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In regards to your warning as to the privacy of this piece: the professors and faculty that have dealt with me are well aware of my gripes; I am never afraid to voice my opinions and, in the area of education, I am even more apt to seek out peers and superiors to argue with. A properly educated citizenry is absolutely necessary for maintaining our republic and I intend to do my best to ensure the proper education of that citizenry.

Side note: I also enjoy bursting bubbles in the classroom. It has become almost a hobby at this point lol
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CMSgt James Nolan
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No worries. I have no doubt that both they know, and you do LOL. But with seeking further advancement, and then high end employment, things will get looked at brother, that's where I was headed. And it definitely sounds like you will encourage the denial of the status quo, which is a good thing. If just sitting in a class gets you a pass, that is BS. The class should be learnable/passable, but not a gift for attendance.
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MAJ Steve Daugherty
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I was a High School dropout in 1967. I was bored and did well on tests but I had to get married and went to work I finished HS taking an exam one night while watching TV . Because of high ACT and SAT scores I started college at U of Colorado going at night and working. It wasn’t easy like HS and had to learn to study. Ended up in theArmy in 1971 and spent an enlistment as a Buck Sargent. When I got out I had a difficult time adjusting to school as in the army we all followed the same rules but each professor had his own set and you had to figure it out for yourself. I survived and did well enough to get into medicine and back into the army. It wasn’t a cakewalk. There was a time in the 60’s that there was talk of inflated grades in an effort of the intelligentsia keeping young men out of the draft. The socialists if today seem to think that society can function with egalitarian benefits without hard work and creativity. When things collapse around their ears they will be hard pressed to survive
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I think you just went to a low ranking school, because I can tell you that my university was not easy at all.
When I was in undergrad, I remember talking to a female student in my class who transferred from Umiss. She was shocked by how rigorous our university was, and she regretted being a transfer student there. And of course her GPA plummeted dramatically.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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I've said it before, I cannot speak for each and every institution. I would hope that there are those out there that are doing the right thing.
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SPC Trish Sugas-Lopez
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I think alot of it depends on what state you're speaking about. It was TOTALLY that way in Cali, but not in my home state of Michigan.
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SGT Mary G.
SGT Mary G.
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I think it is regional - unless is it an Ivy . . . which in actuality is more ore less regional too.
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CPT Zachary Brooks
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So with the striving for this position, which has not done you in yet by seeing the state of the current situation, will you be able to float above it and actually teach to a standard? Will you be able to retain your position if you do?

I have noticed that our education system has developed into a way in which the high school degrees of our parents have become the college degrees of our generation. There could be many reasons for this including ensuring that the new graduates are entrenched in debt (or military servitude as some of us have) or just have four more years to be taught what the DoE intends for them to learn.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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I will do my best to reclaim the standard. I know that I'm not alone in this desire to improve the system of education, or at least the curriculum, but it is going to be a rough road nevertheless.
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CPT Zachary Brooks
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SGT Joseph Gunderson - Part of the big issue there is that the federal DoE has control over the entirety of the countries education. Someone in New York City will have different functions growing up and many different opportunities than someone in Utah for example.
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