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Posted on Jul 29, 2018
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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I definitely feel that going back to school later in life, made me a better student academically and professionally. I went to law school years after undergrad (7 years active duty USAF) and took it more seriously due to my age and experience. Thank god for the GI bill which allowed me to do so.
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SSgt Rick Waterbury
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I am delighted you will be teaching. Your experiences and standards are unique and of great value to those lucky enough to be your students.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
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Thank you.
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CPT Bobby Fields
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My grad school experience after I left active duty (after six years working) was much different from an effort perspective, but I did see a few similarities with the writing abilities of some of my classmates. My classmates ranged in age from students who started grad school immediately after completing their undergrad in social work or psychology, to working adults of all ages up to early-mid 60s. Across the board, the younger students had less writing ability than the rest of us (I was 37 when I started grad school), which became apparent when we were assigned group projects/papers. I always made sure that my instructors knew which portion of each group project/paper that I prepared so my work and performance was objectively graded and I wouldn't be impacted by the writing ability of others.

The political and social views of my classmates were pretty varied, partially because of the age differences, and partially because of my program of study. I majored in Social Work, with a concentration in mental health and a sub-concentration in military and veteran social work so I had a lot of classmates who were also current/former military, spouses, dependents, etc. I had a few professors who were vocally liberal, but that also has to do with the social work profession in general.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
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I do believe that grad school is partially shielded from some of these issues by virtue of the fact that usually those attending were the better students in undergrad programs and because most of them are focused on their special areas of study and are probably set in their beliefs enough that profs expend less energy attempting to brainwash them.
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CPT Bobby Fields
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I think maturity is a big part of it, as well! I did okay in my undergrad studies right out of high school, but my focus was military science and training so my academic classes didn't get the attention they deserved because I didn't think they mattered as much since I thought I would be in the Army the rest of my working life after college. I was a lot more tenacious as a grad student and wanted to learn the material/profession, which resulted in much better academic performance. If I had my undergrad work to do over, I would have chosen a different major (not liberal studies) and worked much harder.
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SSG Doug Terrel
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Joe,
I completely agree with you. I was medically retired in 2014, and stayed at Ft Hood to get my Bachelor's degree from Texas A&M in Killeen. I already had 2 years of college by this point, so it was a short stint to finish out the degree of 2.5 years. I was in a situation where I had to go back and finish out some common core requirements (like Texas Government) that were required in order to graduate as the state I got my associates degree from did not have a common core requirement.
At first, I went about my studies just like I did in the 90s - studying a 1/2 hour every day on each subject. When I took my first finals at the new school, I was happy with my results, but I also was frustrated at the fact that some of the other students in the class got A's but never once turned in an assignment, didn't participate in class discussions, missed multiple days of class, etc. Those first four classes that I took at Texas A&M had an overall class grade average of above 85%. Now, I'm not saying that the subjects weren't easy, but they seriously were not a challenge. Seemed more to me like they are collecting money from us to pretend like they taught us something.
The grade thing was so de-motivating, that by the time I was in my last two semesters, I stopped studying altogether just to see what happened. I graduated with a 3.66 GPA cumulative throughout my college career, so obviously my lack of caring at that point didn't cause any issues for me. It was so bad that in one of my final semester's classes - Advanced Visual Basic - I only turned in one assignment out of 16 on time, turned in my final project a week late, and did not complete the entire project (just the parts on the Rubrick that I needed to get a C as a grade for the project.) This being said, I still got a high B for the class.
For a computer science major, there is almost no reason for you to get this degree. Go ahead and get your certificates in CompTIA, Cisco, GIAC, Microsoft or whatever. The college thing was only a "foot in the door" kind of thing for me, so truly 4.5 years of my life that was wasted. But hey, at least I didn't have to pay for it, right?

~Doug
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SSG Robert Perrotto
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this is very true statements - first hand experience in UW - if you do NOT do the things he described, you get attacked by the student body for "problematic" views and practices. One day 5 people walked in to class 15 to 25 minutes late, each time, the professor had to stop the lecture, and catch up these students, as the last one came in and the teacher stopped to recap yet again, I exclaimed "oh for fucks sake", I was asked what my problem was, and I said - At this point professor, these chuckle fucks coming in late are effecting not only your time and ability to teach, but my ability to learn, it is disrespectful, rude, and inconsiderate of the people who came to your class on time, there has to be a line where accountability for their actions results in a negative consequence. The entire class, including the professor, started to berate me for having privilege, amongst the lightest accusation, I was then berated for being a tool of the white supremacist colonial machine for serving in the Army. This IS a very scary environment if you deviate from the narrative that is the higher education system.
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PO3 Eugene Rizzardi
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Agreed, not everyone needs to go to college, it might be helpful but so is Military Service
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Capt Christian D. Orr
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Thank God I escaped, er, graduated from college when I did (1997)! Your story underscores just how our colleges and universities have gone to hell in a handbasket.
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CWO2 Shelby DuBois
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Amen. Good luck, Joe.
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Michael Mick
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Unfortunately true, it far too many places. I teach at a well-respected midwest university and, thankfully, in a technical field which leaves little room for politics. Most of the liberal arts have become just as you describe. The only way to change it is to have more people who will refuse to do as those you have described, but it is very hard to get in the door if your "attitude" isn't PC. I can only say that I am glad that I am approaching retirement age. Unfortunately, not quite there or I would be gone. We still have a fair number of students who worked/served first and they make for the best students! I have long thought that there should be a required break between high school and college where students can either work for a living or serve in the military (even harder work) before college. That would be the quickest way to begin raising college standards in a real sense.
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"At the very same time that students are being shuffled through their university education, many professors take the opportunity to vomit their vile personal beliefs from the lectern." Yep. This is why I walked away from college a couple of times before finally completing it.

However, it's all about getting a job interview. I worked for quite a while without a degree and it was very hard. Once you have the 4-year degree on paper that our rather shallow-minded society values so much, getting a good job is so much easier.
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