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Command Post What is this?
Posted on Jul 29, 2018
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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LTC John Griscom
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Great story. Good luck with your endeavors.
Have seen some officers that could not put a paragraph together.
We were told in the 60s that the education system was being taken over by socialists and communists to tear down what our Founding Gathers had established. The two areas that were concentrated on education and journalism.
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SPC Douglas Thompson
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My wife is a professor of chemistry, microbiology, and medical terminology at a state college, what used to be called a junior or community college, and has these problems with students. She proudly states she is saving lives by not passing students, as her courses are pre-requisites for students to move on to nursing school or a PA program. She hands out a syllabus,which is essentially a contract between professor and student, and well over half don't even bother to read it. The rest read it, but a good proportion don't follow it. A specific format is required for research papers, and is ignored by a quarter of the class. The quality of many papers is abysmal. These are supposed to be third and fourth year college students, and grammar, spelling and punctuation i\s frequently at a sixth grade or lower level. The problem obviously starts when they are just kids, middle school age and earlier, with social promotions and not being held accountable for their actions for the bulk of their formative years.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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I agree that the issue begins early. Frankly, I believe it falls on the grade school educators and parents in equal parts. First, the parents fail to place the requisite amount of importance on education. This leads children to not put forth effort, to think that they are just checking a box by graduating, and to not absorb all of the information that is necessary. Second, the teachers fails to educate (it is simple as that). They are unable to motivate students and, in order to keep their jobs and the funding coming to their piss-ant schools, keep passing students. If a third or fourth grade teacher is passing the buck down the road because some idiot kid can't read even Dr. Seuss what makes people think that the high school teacher isn't allowing little Sally or Jimmy to pass English unable to differentiate between their, there, and they're? The entire system is broken.
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SFC Paul Woodard
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A spot on observation. I too attended college after the Army, but it was the late 80s and standards still existed. They were even more stringent in graduate school. However, with a daughter who is a sophomore in a Jesuit university in the northeast, what you have described is 100% accurate. Many in her high school class attend universities throughout Texas, Oklahoma and Arkansas. To be quite blunt, I don’t know how they made it into college in the first place. They lack both maturity and intellectual clarity and their minds are malleable mush. Hence the easy indoctrination. I lay the fault for this at the feet of parents who didn’t hold their kids to higher academic and intellectual standards, and for not holding their local schools systems accountable for not holding these kids to account. Mike Judge was right: “Idiocracy” is our future, but not too far down the road. Keep the faith, young man. You are not a voice alone in the wilderness.

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Chris Grimm
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This was realy well written, you obviously learned a lot pursuing the English degree.

I’ll be graduating in a few weeks, and I have to agree on the standards. The only classes I ever had an issue with were math and finance classes.

I’m looking to comission after I graduate, but this post makes me wonder if I went in the correct order.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
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I actually have only taken one writing course over my entire college career; I was given experiential credit for all other writing courses by providing samples of my writing. My undergraduate work has taught me very little.
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LTC John R.
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One of my friends and ROTC classmates entered the Army at the same time as me. After a few years he decided to pursue dreams of being a rocket scientist, so he left the Army and attended a Masters program in aerospace engineering at a top engineering school. He couldn't believe how easy it was. It wasn't really any easier. Before the Army, he THOUGHT college was hard because he approached it from the perspective of a still-immature kid who felt that all the studying and tests were stressful. After having a few years of real responsibility and serious demands on his time and ability to juggle tasks, take care of his troops, manage budgets, manage heavy vehicle and equipment maintenance, and so on, taking care of only himself and having only to do one thing was a piece of cake.
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SMSgt Roy Dowdy
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I would agree to some level with regard to General Studies subject areas. Most schools direct their efforts to the Lowest Common Denominator (LCD) student since a large majority of them are attending on state funded tuition and to fail them would decrease their rolls, thus shrinking their budgets! However, if the subject matter your pursuing is an intense STEM or post graduation degree, then your more likely to be challenged academically and held to a higher standard. Unfortunately, today most schools and universities are self-licking ice cream cones!
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
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Great insight! Higher Education is a business. Like any business, they survive on repeat customers. If your customers fail and then don't return, it puts more pressure on recruiting the best students. If all of your paying customers pass and then return time after time, then your business thrives. Higher education is also a business for professors and would-be professors. Publish or die. Research and publications keep the college/university name out there, and can act as a magnet for grants, endowments, top recruits. Like anything in life, you get out of it what you put in. I was glad to read that you were going to graduate with honors. Congratulations! Teaching is a noble profession. I have been an educator for over 32 years and take pride in saying none of my students ever knew my political or religious leanings other than what they could guess. I felt successful as an educator if, after the lesson was complete, my students could say, "I did it myself." I viewed myself as a facilitator, rather than the source of learning. As for technical school and college not being for everyone, I agree. As a society, we miss the comprehensive high school, where community school districts decided what types of skills were important for those less academically inclined to learn and be able to do. This "everyone must go to college" mindset degrades those who would rather start a business, learn a trade, or seek a different path to success and happiness. Local high schools must wake up to the realities of the need for more students seeking jobs and careers in agriculture (without agriculture we would be hungry, naked and sober!), health services, retail, auto repair, etc. All the manufacturing and commercial jobs and careers do not require a college degree, but some do in the technical fields. And it seems nearly ALL professions require more and more skill in technical fields. The business world and even the defense industry thirst for talented techies who can learn on the job, but at least come with some technical skills. Why aren't ewe partnering with local businesses in local schools to satisfy the need for these jobs? College. You have to go to college. With fewer and fewer youth interested or needing labor intensive jobs, the demand for these jobs increases. If students are introduced to these jobs early, some will find their passion in them. If not, employers will seek the path of least resistance and find someone, anyone, who will do the work. Good luck and God Bless! Hooah!
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SPC Kenneth Berry
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I agree. My sister worked at a bingo hall just because she could and she was amazed at all the college students that could not count without a calculator. Bad when they could not give the right change back.
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SPC Paul Weegar
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Sgt, I can go one better. I was fortunate enough to use my GI benefits to get my BS degree. However, I wanted to further my knowledge in the IT field. So, I enrolled in a community college, bought the over priced book and started in. There were no quizzes, no test, other than the final. In fact there were no class rooms, as the IT course was completely virtual. What a joke. I scored 100% in the class. And like you, I'm at best generally a "B" student. I always hated going to classes and studying. But this class (and the more advanced class) were both a joke.
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SSG Robert Perrotto
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This is the state of higher education today https://reason.com/blog/2018/10/03/dog-rape-hoax-papers-pluckrose-Lindsay this all you need to know about what is infesting higher education, and what is indoctrinating our youth.
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SSG Robert Perrotto
SSG Robert Perrotto
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what I find hysterical is that even reason.com found merit to the dog park paper - that it does show some correlation to societies views towards homosexuals, and promotes sexual assault on women - when the damn observation study did not occur - it was a hoax
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