Posted on Jul 29, 2018
Sinking Standards And Indoctrination: A Veteran's View Of The College Experience
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When I graduated high school I immediately enlisted in the military. After months completing OSUT at Fort Knox, Kentucky, and a brief vacation home for HRAP, I was stationed at Fort Hood, Texas. Over the next few years, my education would come in the form of deployments, field training exercises, structured self-development courses, and professional development schools. I wanted something more though. I looked forward to a time where my career would be at such an optempo as to allow for me to complete my formal civilian education. That time never came. Instead, I found myself medically retired at the age of twenty-four. After a brief stint of wallowing in my own self-pity, I decided to get my life back on track and, ten years after graduating high school, I found myself front and center in a college classroom.
I had previously imagined how college would be. I was never a great student in high school; more often than not, I was a slacker who managed to skate by with good test scores. In my head, I thought that, at best, I would be roughly a B student if I put some real effort into my work. Due to the VA educational benefits that I had earned, I did not have to split my time between working some part time job to pay the bills and use my spare time to complete schoolwork. No, I could completely dedicate myself to my studies. I soon found that my vision of what college would be was nothing close to the reality of it.
I soon found that I was not expected to put in the kind of effort that I had set out to do. Surrounded by hordes of young kids, ranging in ages between 18 and 22 mostly, I was easily one of the oldest people in each classroom. Most of the students didn’t do the assigned readings, turned in homework late, and scored terribly on midterms and finals; did they know something I didn’t? Yes, they did. It would seem that the American education system had morphed from a place to broaden one’s formal education and promote critical thinking to a daycare of sorts where these teenagers and early-twenty-somethings could prolong their childhoods for a few more years while the teachers, in what can only be rationalized as an effort to keep their jobs “useful”, tossed passing grades on to transcripts. Eventually, without learning how to even properly format a paper, these students would graduate with Bachelor’s Degrees in their various disciplines. This is not at all an exaggeration, sadly.
Just recently, I completed a condensed three credit hour course during the summer 2018 semester. I didn’t have to study, I didn’t open up the books after the first week, and I spent most of the lecture time arguing with the professor. I ended up with a final grade of over 99%. How did this happen? Well, because the course was simple to begin with. I was always going to get a low ‘A’, but the reason that it was nearly a perfect grade was because the professor continually added extra points to exams and assignments in order to ensure that every student received a passing grade. If this sounds asinine to you, it should. The idiotic professor’s disgusting and intellectually dishonest practice allowed me to receive a 121% on an exam just so a few more undeserving idiots could pass. This is what the American education system has become.
Now, I have spoken before about a professor that I have become quite close to; in fact, if it were not for our professional, student-teacher relationship, I may go as far as to say we were friends. She has not yet been taken in by this system of inflating grades to ensure the survival of her position, but even she has voiced how the standards that students are being held to are abysmal at best. Reading comprehension is non-existent, the ability to write a coherent paper of over a page and a half is rare, and it would seem that grades are seen, by students, as not earned by virtue of hard-work and demonstrated understanding but rather they are bought and paid for via their tuition. This may be a symptom of the rampant entitlement that seems to be almost ubiquitous amongst this up and coming generation. Sadly, I belong to this generation.
At the very same time that students are being shuffled through their university education, many professors take the opportunity to vomit their vile personal beliefs from the lectern. In the army we always joked about fighting communists as if it were a thing of the distant past, but it would seem alive and well. I never imagined having to defend the American way of life in a classroom and yet, time after time, I find myself defending the constitution, capitalism, and the rule of law from whole groups who believe that the founding fathers had it all wrong. If the fact that students were getting unearned diplomas was not enough to anger me, listening to students and professors preach the many blessings of communism surely did the trick.
After two more semesters I will graduate with my BA in English; I am on track to graduate with honors. I will be throwing my application for admission to a short list of institutions and I have no doubt that I will be allowed to attend one of them. I can only hope that graduate school will not be tainted with the same practices as undergrad.
If attending college has taught me one thing so far, it is that traditional, four year degrees should not be sought by everyone. In fact, I have become a firm believer in the value of technical schools and trades. Were it possible to go into my field, teaching, without a liberal arts degree, I would. What has become apparent is that the often spoken lie that one cannot be a success without a college degree has been espoused so many times that we all seem to believe it and that is sad. I have an entire group of very close friends who have never attended college, some of them dropped out of high school, and they are all on their way to making far more money in their careers than I can ever hope to make as a college English professor. Perhaps we would be better off if students understood the value of some of these careers or at least understood the necessity of hard work.
I had previously imagined how college would be. I was never a great student in high school; more often than not, I was a slacker who managed to skate by with good test scores. In my head, I thought that, at best, I would be roughly a B student if I put some real effort into my work. Due to the VA educational benefits that I had earned, I did not have to split my time between working some part time job to pay the bills and use my spare time to complete schoolwork. No, I could completely dedicate myself to my studies. I soon found that my vision of what college would be was nothing close to the reality of it.
I soon found that I was not expected to put in the kind of effort that I had set out to do. Surrounded by hordes of young kids, ranging in ages between 18 and 22 mostly, I was easily one of the oldest people in each classroom. Most of the students didn’t do the assigned readings, turned in homework late, and scored terribly on midterms and finals; did they know something I didn’t? Yes, they did. It would seem that the American education system had morphed from a place to broaden one’s formal education and promote critical thinking to a daycare of sorts where these teenagers and early-twenty-somethings could prolong their childhoods for a few more years while the teachers, in what can only be rationalized as an effort to keep their jobs “useful”, tossed passing grades on to transcripts. Eventually, without learning how to even properly format a paper, these students would graduate with Bachelor’s Degrees in their various disciplines. This is not at all an exaggeration, sadly.
Just recently, I completed a condensed three credit hour course during the summer 2018 semester. I didn’t have to study, I didn’t open up the books after the first week, and I spent most of the lecture time arguing with the professor. I ended up with a final grade of over 99%. How did this happen? Well, because the course was simple to begin with. I was always going to get a low ‘A’, but the reason that it was nearly a perfect grade was because the professor continually added extra points to exams and assignments in order to ensure that every student received a passing grade. If this sounds asinine to you, it should. The idiotic professor’s disgusting and intellectually dishonest practice allowed me to receive a 121% on an exam just so a few more undeserving idiots could pass. This is what the American education system has become.
Now, I have spoken before about a professor that I have become quite close to; in fact, if it were not for our professional, student-teacher relationship, I may go as far as to say we were friends. She has not yet been taken in by this system of inflating grades to ensure the survival of her position, but even she has voiced how the standards that students are being held to are abysmal at best. Reading comprehension is non-existent, the ability to write a coherent paper of over a page and a half is rare, and it would seem that grades are seen, by students, as not earned by virtue of hard-work and demonstrated understanding but rather they are bought and paid for via their tuition. This may be a symptom of the rampant entitlement that seems to be almost ubiquitous amongst this up and coming generation. Sadly, I belong to this generation.
At the very same time that students are being shuffled through their university education, many professors take the opportunity to vomit their vile personal beliefs from the lectern. In the army we always joked about fighting communists as if it were a thing of the distant past, but it would seem alive and well. I never imagined having to defend the American way of life in a classroom and yet, time after time, I find myself defending the constitution, capitalism, and the rule of law from whole groups who believe that the founding fathers had it all wrong. If the fact that students were getting unearned diplomas was not enough to anger me, listening to students and professors preach the many blessings of communism surely did the trick.
After two more semesters I will graduate with my BA in English; I am on track to graduate with honors. I will be throwing my application for admission to a short list of institutions and I have no doubt that I will be allowed to attend one of them. I can only hope that graduate school will not be tainted with the same practices as undergrad.
If attending college has taught me one thing so far, it is that traditional, four year degrees should not be sought by everyone. In fact, I have become a firm believer in the value of technical schools and trades. Were it possible to go into my field, teaching, without a liberal arts degree, I would. What has become apparent is that the often spoken lie that one cannot be a success without a college degree has been espoused so many times that we all seem to believe it and that is sad. I have an entire group of very close friends who have never attended college, some of them dropped out of high school, and they are all on their way to making far more money in their careers than I can ever hope to make as a college English professor. Perhaps we would be better off if students understood the value of some of these careers or at least understood the necessity of hard work.
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Lucky for me I branched out of Liberal Arts in my Junior Year to Business Admin which is largely conservative and also more apolitical than Liberal Arts which tends to be leaning heavily towards the Left. My memories of UW in the late 80's was the nice mini-Intifada they held in the Student Union including Reservist IDF Officers that should have behaved better, though I understand their emotional need to defend the homeland even if they are overseas in the United States.
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Sgt Gunderson, Like you I went to college after I got out, only I went several years after, and actually wrote a paper on this very subject. Students think that they should get a C for just showing up. I actually appreciated the education more going later in life. I will tell you the self- discipline that I learned on active duty help me get through the late nights studying/writing after working a 10 hour work day, then to class. Congrats on your success.
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I am currently at my second Insitution of higher learning. I can personally attest to what Sgt Gunderson is speaking of.
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Thank You! God, I've been saying this for years. Also, I rather appreciated your verbal lexicon.
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Looking back, I would do things a tad different if I had the opportunity. My approach to college was much the same as it was to high school, do just enough to pass. Chalk it up to immaturity. I will say that I learned a lot in college both in class and about life.
I was quite disappointed with graduate studies though. I was quite a bit older when I signed up for grad school, and determined to learn as much as I could. What I learned in grad school was how to conduct and document research. My biggest disappointment was in what the professors accepted/allowed from other students in my classes. We had to write a paper for each class, each term and do a presentation on our paper. What I found so disheartening was students who I assume paid someone to do the work for them as when giving their presentations, they couldn't even pronounce some of the words "they used" on their slides. The professors either didn't notice or didn't care.
I was quite disappointed with graduate studies though. I was quite a bit older when I signed up for grad school, and determined to learn as much as I could. What I learned in grad school was how to conduct and document research. My biggest disappointment was in what the professors accepted/allowed from other students in my classes. We had to write a paper for each class, each term and do a presentation on our paper. What I found so disheartening was students who I assume paid someone to do the work for them as when giving their presentations, they couldn't even pronounce some of the words "they used" on their slides. The professors either didn't notice or didn't care.
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I appreciate your personal experience and agree with you in many ways. You took a similar path to me. Instead of going straight to college out of high school you went straight into the military, learned the ropes of adulthood, and then went back to school. I think what you experienced is a combination of two different things. 1) About 2/3 of the college experience is learning to be an adult --managing your schedule, being responsible, accountable, independent. You learned all this in the military so it was nothing to you in college. I'm sure your fellow students did not have similar experiences. 2) Sounds to me like you were probably a pretty smart person to begin with. You likely went to a university that wasn't challenging enough for your level of education. A different school might have changed things for you. Many colleges today are just degree-machines designed for the lowest common denominator. It's unfortunate. If you plan to go to grad school much of this will change! Be sure to select a school requisite with your abilities and trust me you will be challenged!
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SGT Joseph Gunderson I feel some of your pain. I have been (while probably twice your age LOL) plodding my way through school after dropping out/being asked to leave (potato-potaato) back in the 80s and enlisting in the Marines..
Started back at school a few yrs ago, and take a class at a time, and they are truly easy, I can say that with only 2 classes left finally LOL... I think that the ease of the classes is a combination of age and experience, and a desire to finish something (learned in military) i.e. not afraid to do the work..
I would caution you a little, because nothing posted is truly staying on the private side, and as we see all the time, posts and tweets (which I am not a fan of -all that hash tag stuff) come back to haunt us.
I applaud your efforts, and hope you kill it in grad school. With that degree, you can become the type of teacher that you would like to have had. I have been going online, because of work and still being in the service, but so far, I have been lucky and all of my professors have been solid, with either degree related experience, and/or veterans or both. It is sad, but we do live in an environment of "everyone gets a prize". That is all well and good until the proverbial shit hits the fan, then we need folks who actually know what they are doing....
Best of luck
Started back at school a few yrs ago, and take a class at a time, and they are truly easy, I can say that with only 2 classes left finally LOL... I think that the ease of the classes is a combination of age and experience, and a desire to finish something (learned in military) i.e. not afraid to do the work..
I would caution you a little, because nothing posted is truly staying on the private side, and as we see all the time, posts and tweets (which I am not a fan of -all that hash tag stuff) come back to haunt us.
I applaud your efforts, and hope you kill it in grad school. With that degree, you can become the type of teacher that you would like to have had. I have been going online, because of work and still being in the service, but so far, I have been lucky and all of my professors have been solid, with either degree related experience, and/or veterans or both. It is sad, but we do live in an environment of "everyone gets a prize". That is all well and good until the proverbial shit hits the fan, then we need folks who actually know what they are doing....
Best of luck
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
In regards to your warning as to the privacy of this piece: the professors and faculty that have dealt with me are well aware of my gripes; I am never afraid to voice my opinions and, in the area of education, I am even more apt to seek out peers and superiors to argue with. A properly educated citizenry is absolutely necessary for maintaining our republic and I intend to do my best to ensure the proper education of that citizenry.
Side note: I also enjoy bursting bubbles in the classroom. It has become almost a hobby at this point lol
Side note: I also enjoy bursting bubbles in the classroom. It has become almost a hobby at this point lol
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CMSgt James Nolan
No worries. I have no doubt that both they know, and you do LOL. But with seeking further advancement, and then high end employment, things will get looked at brother, that's where I was headed. And it definitely sounds like you will encourage the denial of the status quo, which is a good thing. If just sitting in a class gets you a pass, that is BS. The class should be learnable/passable, but not a gift for attendance.
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I was a High School dropout in 1967. I was bored and did well on tests but I had to get married and went to work I finished HS taking an exam one night while watching TV . Because of high ACT and SAT scores I started college at U of Colorado going at night and working. It wasn’t easy like HS and had to learn to study. Ended up in theArmy in 1971 and spent an enlistment as a Buck Sargent. When I got out I had a difficult time adjusting to school as in the army we all followed the same rules but each professor had his own set and you had to figure it out for yourself. I survived and did well enough to get into medicine and back into the army. It wasn’t a cakewalk. There was a time in the 60’s that there was talk of inflated grades in an effort of the intelligentsia keeping young men out of the draft. The socialists if today seem to think that society can function with egalitarian benefits without hard work and creativity. When things collapse around their ears they will be hard pressed to survive
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I think you just went to a low ranking school, because I can tell you that my university was not easy at all.
When I was in undergrad, I remember talking to a female student in my class who transferred from Umiss. She was shocked by how rigorous our university was, and she regretted being a transfer student there. And of course her GPA plummeted dramatically.
When I was in undergrad, I remember talking to a female student in my class who transferred from Umiss. She was shocked by how rigorous our university was, and she regretted being a transfer student there. And of course her GPA plummeted dramatically.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
I've said it before, I cannot speak for each and every institution. I would hope that there are those out there that are doing the right thing.
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SPC Trish Sugas-Lopez
I think alot of it depends on what state you're speaking about. It was TOTALLY that way in Cali, but not in my home state of Michigan.
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So with the striving for this position, which has not done you in yet by seeing the state of the current situation, will you be able to float above it and actually teach to a standard? Will you be able to retain your position if you do?
I have noticed that our education system has developed into a way in which the high school degrees of our parents have become the college degrees of our generation. There could be many reasons for this including ensuring that the new graduates are entrenched in debt (or military servitude as some of us have) or just have four more years to be taught what the DoE intends for them to learn.
I have noticed that our education system has developed into a way in which the high school degrees of our parents have become the college degrees of our generation. There could be many reasons for this including ensuring that the new graduates are entrenched in debt (or military servitude as some of us have) or just have four more years to be taught what the DoE intends for them to learn.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
I will do my best to reclaim the standard. I know that I'm not alone in this desire to improve the system of education, or at least the curriculum, but it is going to be a rough road nevertheless.
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CPT Zachary Brooks
SGT Joseph Gunderson - Part of the big issue there is that the federal DoE has control over the entirety of the countries education. Someone in New York City will have different functions growing up and many different opportunities than someone in Utah for example.
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