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Posted on Nov 3, 2017
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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Maybe a talk show.....The Missdventures of Tranny and Coward....Two former Army losers.
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Your "tranny" comment is unnecessary and prejudicial. There are transgendered people serving honorably in the military right now, and they don't deserve the disrespect.
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I agree sir and I crossed the line on my response.
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SGT Jim Humphrey
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Some dick will ghost write a book and make this idiot the champion of the left and a huge check. HE BELONGS IN JAIL
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PVT Raymond Lopez
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He wants to keep all his medals too!
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
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Hooah!
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Understand that he spent time in captivity and they were brutal conditions. He experienced this because he CHOSE to leave his post. He should have spent some more time as a guest of the government. I get it that he gets a dishonorable discharge but, too lenient in my view. In WW 2, he could have been shot.
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SSgt John Carter
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The President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. His public comments amounted to command influence of the legal process and he had no place in even suggesting a sentence and he should have let justice take it's course. The judge did not abdicate his duties, he knew that the President's comments had a negative effect on the sentencing and had he sentenced the Sgt. to life in prison, it probably would have been overturned. We'd like to scream "liberal" till our heads fall off, but in the end, the blame falls squarely on President Trump for his attempting to undermine the military justice process, and the judge , as well as the unbiased public understood this.
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SSgt John Carter
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I'm referring to the comment President Trump made after the guilty plea which stated Bergdahl should be shit for treason. Please, go away with that mess, you Trump zombies refuse to acknowledge anything he does or says and blame everything on Hillary or Obama. WHEN he's impeached you'll call it an Obama conspiracy
You people are mentally ill and dangerous to yourselves and the nation. Conversation closed.
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SSgt John Carter
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Shot
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SPC Christopher Perrien
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Mr Trump has always been inclined to bombastic statements. did not order it or project influence on any of the adjacency., though bad form. did he get shot? Hardly . Can't shoot for desertion if no war anyway.
Not as bad as "If I had a son " against a civilian in a murder trial by a president with a supposed degree in constitutional law.

Both instances would be ground for appeal, however in Bergdahl's case it would not have altered any appeal in the case IMO, just drug it out more for nothing.
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
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President Trump, as President, only ever said everyone knows what he said as a candidate. Big difference. Obama claimed Bergdahl had served "honorably," knowing full well Bergdahl had NOT served honorably, but had deserted his unit in time of war. Obama traded five taliban LEADERS for a private in the United States Army - unprecedented and unheard of. Obama paraded Bergdahl's father and mother before the nation in the Rose Garden of the White House, allowed the father to praise Allah in Arabic on national TV, and treated the mother as if she were his girlfriend. Undue influence? Which way, and why?
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The precedent set was the commander in chief opening his big mouth about Bergdahl. I have read the judge took those into account too so perhaps he ruled the way he did to avoid an appeal later on.

Also there are five people on death row in Leavenworth...the military hasn't executed anyone since 1961 I believe is what I read. So even if he got death he would have just sat there until he died of old age.
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
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If you’re referring to President Trump, what exactly did he say as President that amounted to undue influence? I do know that President Obama’s creates significant undue influence when he traded five Taliban leaders for Bergdahl’s, praised his service as honorable, and showcased his Arabic-speaking father and pawed his mother in the Rose Garden of the White House! Bergdahl admitted to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. Obama’s lied. Undue influence? All in Bergdahl’s favor.
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Capt Gregory Prickett - I was responding to people talking about the death penalty and pointing out that the military doesn't put people to death often. If he had been facing it and gotten that punishment he'd just spend years on death row with the others.
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MAJ Montgomery Granger - When he reiterated his comments from the campaign trail that he felt Bergdahl is a traitor. That was undue command influence and I have read the judge took those comments into account.

No Pres Obama didn't create undue command influence when they traded those five for him. How is that undue influence?

Odd here's the statement Obama made when Bergdahl was coming home and not once is the word hero found in that statement: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/05/31/statement-president-release-sergeant-bowe-bergdahl

That's because he didn't say it. His national security advisor Susan Rice is the one that said Bergdhal served with "honor and distinction." A statement that the WH press secretary declined to endorse after she said it.

So please show me again the undue command influence when all Obama did was bring a servicemember home. That's all he said he did is that we don't leave anyone behind. He didn't call him a hero. He didn't praise anyone. Read the statement. And what do you mean "pawed" his mother? Where did Obama lie about Bergdahl?

Trump needs to keep his mouth shut and not tweet everything or say what's on his mind immediately. That's a fact. Even ardent Trump supporters admit that.
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
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SFC (Join to see) - You are wrong. And I never said Obama called Bergdahl a "hero." I said he was referred to has having served "honorably" by the Obama Administration, which was a lie, and you know it. Everyone knew it at the time. President Trump did not reiterate his comments from the campaign, he referred to them but did not repeat them. Trading five Taliban LEADERS is absolutely undue influence. Along with the false statement about Bergdahl's "honorable" service, exchanges between countries for prisoners are almost always equal trades. Showing that Bergdahl was as valuable or important as five Taliban leaders was falsely assimilating Bergdahl's value with enemy leaders.
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SGT David T.
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I can understand the anger surrounding this, but I hold a different perspective. Had he got locked up, we would have to pay for his clothing, housing, education, security, and health care for the entire time he was in prison. At least this way, in 10 months, we don't have to pay for him anymore. This guy is a nobody and really not worth the cost of keeping him in jail. What he did was wrong. No question. But how much money are we willing to dump into him? For every dollar spent to keep him in jail is a dollar not being spent on weapons, ammo, food, and so on. Every cent we spend on him is a BB status on a requisition or a deadlined piece of equipment. I would much rather this outcome and spend the money on good troops who don't walk off.
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
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Thank you for your comment, SGT. I respectfully feel that values and ethics are more important in this case. We have a warrior code, Army Values, UCMJ, SOP, rules, regulations, guidelines and FM's. If we ignore them or make up our own there are consequences. I believe the best way to save money on this would be the death penalty. I know that sounds harsh, but I believe that is the punishment that fits the crime, especially considering the consequences suffered by innocent personnel because of Bergdahl's actions. Again, thank you for your comment. I appreciate you taking the time to let me know how you feel about it.
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COL Steph Browne
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MAJ Granger, I respect that you feel strongly on this issue. You should, however, deal with the situation as it actually existed, not as you might have wished it to be. The death penalty was never an option for the charges brought. COL Nance was required by the UCMJ to sentence the accused only for the crimes of which he was adjudged guilty and based only upon evidence admitted in court. He did that. End of story.
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SSgt Michael NeSmith
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Definitely was shocked in the decision, and wondering now what is the purpose of the UCMJ if we’re not going to follow through with the justice that is deserved in this matter “ Death seems fair for him”
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SGT Walter Lester
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I agree with you 100% MAJ Montgomery Granger,
I also feel that Col. Jeffery Nance didn't do his job to the best of his ability. He didn't follow the laws and rules of the UCMJ. There is a lot missing with this case and it is because of politics and save face with the higher ups involved. I feel that the judge has signed Burgdahl's death warrant with his sentencing.
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COL Steph Browne
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SGT Lester, you are off base. COL Nance did do his job and he did it well. He followed the UCMJ as he is tasked to do. That you disagree with the outcome does not mean the MJ failed to carry out his duties. COL Nance faced a difficult task in fashioning an appropriate sentence. No matter what he decided, he faced blowback from those who hold strong opinions but do not know the UCMJ nor the difficulty inherent in fashioning a sentence. A little “walk a mile in his shoes”might be appropriate before throwing brick bats.
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SGT Robert Hawks
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I thought the convening authority had to a prove the sentence? The judge is not the convening authority.
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PO3 John Jeter
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The guilty plea before a judge only (vs a panel) establishes guilt and allows the judge to assess the punishment. I believe the convening authority has a review obligation, but I'm not a lawyer.
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COL Steph Browne
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It is the accused’d decision whether to be sentenced by the MJ alone or by a panel after a guilty plea. Here, the accused picked sentencing by the MJ. The Convening authority must approve the adjudged sentence but he/she may not increase the adjudged sentence.
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