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Posted on Nov 3, 2017
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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GySgt Kenneth Pepper
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What can we do about it? For all of you still on active duty out there pay attention. All of you have the obligation to identify anyone who may be considering "going over the wall". I would be willing to bet you that members of Turdball's unit saw or hreard things that weren't quite right, but chose to not say anything.
If someone had identified Turdball as a potential deserter steps could have been taken to get his head back on straight or remove him from duty and place him under watch.
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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Interesting thoughts. Thanks for sharing them. Leadership is always a two-way street, and when I was coming up as a junior officer, after five years in the enlisted ranks, my mentors were always quick to remind me that a leader's job is to first COUNSEL his/her subordinates, and to assume personal issues were involved when soldiers colored outside the lines. The counseling approach is an important first step in progressive discipline. Like a doctor rules things out as they travel down the road of diagnosis, we must never forget that we are dealing with human beings and that personal problems affect a person's job performance. That said, Bergdahl's actions were his own, and I don't have enough information to determine how much others knew or suspected or what actions, including counseling, his leaders took. The system is not perfect, and it is very possible that there was a serious breakdown in leadership regarding Bergdahl's actions. On the other hand, Bergdahl may have been so bent on desertion that he masked or hid those intentions from his leadership chain and had alienated his colleagues to the point where they wrote him off instead of taking the time to report his behavior.
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LCDR Chaplain Corps Officer
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Very well said, sir.
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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Hooah!
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COL Jon Lopey
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LT: Thanks very much. I am honored to participate in this forum because of great veterans and service members like you, whose service continues to make our nation strong and a force for good in a cruel and often dark world. God Bless & Semper FI, Jon
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Jerry Rivas
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The little douchebag should be shot.
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Capt Christian D. Orr
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A total travesty of justice. Political correctness has hijacked our Armed Forces.
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COL Jon Lopey
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MAJ Granger: Nice summary and some very compelling arguments. Unfortunately, the military has always had deserters but we haven't talked about it much. During the Viet Nam Era, I worked in the Base Deserter Section at Camp Pendleton. We had over 6,000 case files, mostly from that era, mostly new Marines who deserted after taking leave after initial basic training or advanced training. Berghdahl was different to me because he deserted his fellow Airborne Troopers while in a combat zone. Anyone serving in OEF or OIF knows that it is absolutely unheard of and totally insane to leave a firebase and venture off into the countryside without your weapon, gear, and certainly while unauthorized to do so. This is a violation of General Order 1 and while we don't have all of the facts, it is certainly likely that brave men and women died and were maimed attempting to save him. While I have grave reservations about the lenient sentence, the whole affair has been political, even if the Army attempted not to make it so. Although justice may not have been served, the Dishonorable Discharge and the presumed denial of pay and benefits during the time within which he was captured and the other penalties like the reduction in grade to private and the withdrawal of his airborne wings and CIB will serve as a dark mark on his life and record that will follow him for the rest of his life. His weak and lame excuse that he had concerns about the leadership is also troubling and ridiculous. There are other positive ways to express concerns about issues in your chain-of-command and as Soldiers or other service members, we have an obligation to be professional and lead by example, not to run away because we don't like our superiors. I have always been in units with service members who may not have lived up to my expectations but overall, we had NCOs and officers who did the job, did it well, and I witnessed incredible courage, commitment, honor, and leadership in OIF and OEF consistently and in nearly all engagements. Even during Viet Nam War when I had to work with deserters every week being returned to Camp Pendleton, their poor judgment and actions did not appreciably diminish the incredible accomplishments of the fine Marines with whom I served and despite them, the Marine Corps was a great organization overall. The Army did well in every mission I took part in and despite men who fail and despite men who fail us, their nation, their service and in this case, the Airborne, we have prevailed and defeated the enemy continuously in the vast majority of instances. I have disdain for Mr. Bergdahl but I also have pity for him because he had an opportunity to serve in the best Army and combat force we have every had - He got the opportunity to wear an Airborne Tab, Airborne Wings, and a CIB and, he wore the combat patch in a respected and revered uniform of our Army - and than of an elite unit. He quit his Army, he quit his nation, he quit his unit, and he quit his buddies - the same Soldiers who risked their lives to find him and would have laid down their lives in any situation in combat. The verdict is in and I'll accept it but Bergdahl, most of all, has to live with himself and his failures. He violated his oath and our flag, and all that it represents (including the people of our nation) while he may get sympathy from some in our society, the "warrior class" we all belong to will give him no such support and to me, he will forever reside in a prison that I personally would not want to visit for even one moment. Thank you for listening.....Jon
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
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Thank you very much for your thoughtful comments, Sir! I appreciate the time you took to share your feelings on the matter. I just can't get around the failed opportunity to set an example for all time on the subject of desertion and "misbehavior before the enemy." The military should never be the butt of jokes, and the whole Bergdahl scenario is laughable if you don't cry over it. It is absurd. The incident can now be held up as an example of how seriously the military takes its own rules and regulations: not very. As I stated, LOYALTY is the most important Army Value, for without it, nothing else has value. If all one's actions can be compromised in a single act of betrayal then the strength and effectiveness of a whole unit, and in this case, a whole military establishment can be compromised. There are always going to be bad apples, but when there is one, it must be dealt with appropriately or we risk the deadly disease of accepting lower and lower standards until none of it matters anymore.
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COL Jon Lopey
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Dan: Thank you for the support and comments. Thank you for your service to this nation. As a MSG, I am sure you mentored a lot of successful Soldiers during your years of service and for that, I salute you. Semper Fi, Jon
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COL Jon Lopey
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MAJ Granger: Thank you - You put it better than I could have - If we abandon our values as an Army and as a people, we will fail and I concur with your analysis. Thank you for your relevant and appropriate comments...Thank you for your service as well. Jon
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COL Jon Lopey
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MAJ Granger: Thank you for the thoughtful comments. It is greatly appreciated. I think now "Mr. Bergdahl" will regret is decision to betray his nation, his buddies, his Army, and his oath of office. He is a failure and he had every opportunity to be something that enriched everyone around him and he simply quit and obviously exposed brave servicemen and women to danger and some paid the ultimate price for their commitment to bring him home alive. I was not there and I do not know what evidence was presented to the courts martial. I do believe that we have to have some respect for the presiding judge and the panel. He technically had several years of service, most while he was in captivity. I think being reduced to private, a DD, and loss of pay and benefits was a major penalty that will follow him forever. Did he deserve more? Of course he did but I choose to respect the decision and assume there were legal factors that existed we may not be aware of. Additionally, when I returned from overseas during the Viet Nam War and worked in the USMC's Base Deserter Section (MCB, Camp Pen), President Nixon had issued almost a blanket amnesty to Viet Nam Era deserters and many who were caught or surrendered received bad discharges (BCDs if court martialed) but most received less than honorable discharges administratively like Undesirable Discharges and they served very little time. One friend of mine served in Viet Nam, deserted for 6+ years and surrendered. He did such a good job in 3/3 (1st MarDiv) while awaiting courts martial, he was retained and served out his remaining 2.5 years honorably (he was also a Purple Heart recipient). That Marine was the exception and he was given preference to a large degree because he turned his life around and served honorably during a tour in Viet Nam prior to his departure. Most deserters were not war veterans when I served in the Base Deserter Section. Again, I would hate to live the life he is going to live after his failures and some could argue, cowardess in a combat zone. I would reiterate that as a former NCO and 30-year commissioned officer, I also have disdain for non-performers or failures who later claim their problems are attributed to the leaders they had. The vast majority of leaders I knew in the Marines and Army were good people and even if you had a commander or platoon leader who may not have been the best, you always had stellar NCOs and other officers that had a tendency to make most units good units. We learned early that your job was to accomplish your mission and take care of your people. The vast majority of leaders I knew did that. Bergdahl had enough time in service that dictated that if saw problems he should have been part of the solution and not part of the problem. Again, leaving a fire base in Afghanistan was absolutely unheard of and essentially he signed his death warrant leaving his base contrary to common sense, long-term practices, and standing orders. Such a move was what I said before was essentially "insane." What he did was absolutely insane and he exhibited the intent by his actions to be a deserter from the very beginning. I also think he probably helped the Taliban but I don't have independent proof of that point. Courts martials have to convict people based on the evidence and I think most people agree he had some mental health challenges a well. Thanks, Jon
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SFC Joseph McCausland
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Sir, Thank you for the update but I am afraid that just like the exoneration of "Crooked Hillary" the fix was in with Bergdahl as well. After-all, we couldn't have this young man sentenced to 15 years behind bars after Obama and the First Lady so lovingly hosted his parents in the rose garden.

I don't know who this Nance character is, but coming up with a sentence of time served after all the evidence was presented, makes me believe it's time for him to submit his retirement papers.

I don't wish ill on anyone, but in Bergdahl's case, I just wish the "universe" return to him what his actions caused others.
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LTC Ken Bowers
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I'm coming to this topic late, but I have some brutal comments! Bergdahl is the poster child for everything that has been turned upside down and backwards in the armed services! His conduct brought about his captivity with the Taliban. The then Commander-in-Chief aggravated the problem by trading five hard-core Taliban leaders for him. Then "his" Generals provided the opening drama of an investigation did not open any new facts, and then they closed it with this shame of military justice. The military judge for this trial dumped on the Army, military justice, the soldiers who were involved in search missions, the families of those who suffered injuries during those search missions, and value of honorable military service. There was command influence for sure, but it was not by the current president. I have yet to hear as to the decision about the award of back-pay as of this writing. Should that come to pass he will be consumed by his guilt for his cowardice. For the generals that orchestrated this situation, and the judge that carried it out shame on you for you have done a great disservice to the nation, the US Armed Forces, and yourself!
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
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Hooah!
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COL Jon Lopey
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Ken: I agree with you. I think the Army recognized the importance of trying him and convicting him of this misconduct but they had to wait until we had a new president. I too was interested in the back pay issue. I worked in a base deserter section with the USMC during the Viet Nam War and a deserter is not entitled to back pay and in this case, it is obvious he was convicted and should not be entitled to the money. Thanks for the excellent commentary. Jon
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Cpl Scott McCarroll
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This is from Article 85 from the Manual for Court Marshall
c) Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or attempt to desert occurs at any o t h e r t i m e , b y s u c h p u n i s h m e n t , o t h e r t h a n death, as a court-martial may direct.
This is why he plead guilty I think had he not that an investigation would have shown that he gave aid to the enemy, how else do you explain that he seems from most accounts I have read to have been in pretty good shape. And with things I am seeing on the net about O'Bama, well I'll leave that rant for another day
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COL Jon Lopey
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Scott: I suspected that suspicion as well. I believe, based on my experience in OEF and OIF, that he would have executed by a slow and torturous death had he not cooperated at least to some degree with his captors. I think it is also possible and likely he collaborated with the enemy to survive so long and that was probably his intention all along. I don't want to be judgmental but I have to support your theory because that is where the evidence exists. Thanks for the excellent commentary and thank you for your service as a Marine - Semper Fi...! Jon
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Cpl Scott McCarroll
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COL Jon Lopey Thank You Sir. I tend to be long winded when something seems to defiy logic. And I know I mentioned this with my rant above. Just how did Obama know that he was available for a prisoner swap. That whole thing screams of collusion. But that is just my opinion. Hey you know that witch known as Hillary wasn't she in some way involved in the swap?
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM
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We are living in sad times when some Americans consider military heroes to be people like Chelsea Manning and Bowe Bergdahl. The former was tried, convicted, and sentenced to 35 years which was commuted to 7 years by President Obama. Manning then goes out to receive an honorary position from an Ivy League School and protests outside the White House regarding President Trump's LBGT decision. The latter was tried, convicted, and sentenced to time served, reduction in rank, forfeiture of pay, and a dishonorable discharge. Both should be in prison today at a minimum, let alone being celebrated by some Americans as heroes.
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CWO2 James Mathews
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I am also late to this discussion, and I feel the same as you gentlemen about Bergdahl. As far as I am concerned he is a "nothing." His final penalty, thanks to a President who was looking for approval from his adherents and cared nothing for this nation or its values is past and "water under the bridge." Howver, the precedents will come back to haunt us in later years, just as that President had planned. In regard to the IVy League Awards, and the protests outside the White House, considering the quality of those who participated and approved of those demonstrations, in my view, I have dismissed them from my personal interest. They are, in my estimation, far beneath my level of consideration or recognition! These are the Americans who have been totally hoodwinked by the opposition, and have lost the ability to see clearly what is happening to our country!
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COL Jon Lopey
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COL Smallfield, SGT Hallock, & CWO2 Mathews: You are absolutely right. These Soldiers deserved harsher penalties but we know these cases were politicalized by the last administration for the most part and the decisions made overally were damaging to good order and discipline. I had a TS clearance the last 16 years as an officer and it is absolutely unheard of and so far afield for any Soldier would compromise our national security like Manning did and it is obvious that Manning and Bergdahl, once held up as a stellar Soldiers, were traitors and their actions were perpetrated with malice aforethought. I know when I served in OEF and OIF, I also think the system failed because top secret information was closely monitored and controlled when I was overseas. Even during the Viet Nam Era, I was once a classified document custodian and all classified documents had to be logged in and destroyed by burning (especially secret and above). I think we have moved beyond these incidents and the current administration is much tougher, more supportive, and more cognizant of how these types of cases (and behaviors) impact our readiness, morale, and combat effectiveness. Manning and Bergdahl are very, very troubled young adults and they will reside in a "living hell" the rest of their lives. I would hate to live with the reality that I failed my nation, my fellow Soldiers, and it is likely both of these troubled souls, in their moral and ethical failures as people and Soldiers, weakened our combat readiness. Their selfish acts led to the loss of lives and their actions hurt the image and impugned the courage, commitment, and honor of what is probably the greatest Army and military we have ever had. Our service members perform with bravery, efficiency, and utmost competence. Our men and women deserve much better than these Soldiers represented to our nation and the world. Manning and Berghahl's failures and wanton and deliberate indifference to their oaths and obligations to the nation that protects them will not serve to appreciably denigrate the overall performance and incredible accomplishments of our men and women in uniform and civilian contractors who have served during what has become one of our longest wars. We cannot ignore, however, that both caused irreparable harm to our nation to some degree and while they did not get the penalties they deserve, we can now move on, accomplish the next mission, and protect and take care of the vast majority of fighting men and women worthy of our support - Now and in the future. Thanks, Jon
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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I am in suspense awaiting the details and the amount of $,$$$,$$$ included in Bergdahl’s “book deal”!
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