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Posted on Aug 15, 2018
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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SFC David Xanten
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I fully agree with you. While an Instructor at the 7th Army NCO Academy our motto was, "If the Student fails to learn, the Instructor failed to teach". It worked well for us and we were able to Graduate Hundreds of fine NCO's that I am sure brought great Credit of both their Units and the US Army.
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CPT Keith Whitter
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This is an excellent objective. Our education situation in this country is in real need of help, and who better to supply that help than efficient and proficient NCO's.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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There are many ways to become a self supporting citizen. A plumber, truck driver, etc. does not have to have a PHD to make it in this world. What he/she need is RESPONSIBILITY. All of us learned that in the military. It makes no difference what your rank is. Kids now days are not responsible for anything ( unless the parents say so). Teachers can only do so much. Discipline is NOT there job.
I had a friend tell me her dad an o-6 had become a teacher. She pitted the students. After reading some poetry he asked the class what they thought. A dude in the back said ( I think it sucks). Rather than get upset the Colonel politely ask the student to come to the front of the class and explain why!! And that is why he was a Colonel!!!
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MAJ Matthew Arnold
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Edited 7 y ago
After I retired I became a high school teacher. I had to "jump thru the hoops" to get a teaching license and endorsements. After planning and conducting military training for 24 years, doing the same in high school was a breeze. Except for the occasional misfit, Officers, WOs, and NCOs are experienced trainers and already good teachers.

BUT the big, big, really big, difference is your students. You don't have a room full of warriors who pay attention because they know there lives may depend on it. You have a room full of teenagers with an attitude: entitled, disrespectful, undisciplined, lazy, etc. who's whole goal is to get a B grade with as little effort as possible, or to not get by at all. (Yes, of course, there are those students who want to put forth the effort to get an A grade, but they are not the problem.) Therefor, the question is, can you adapt to your new audience?

I found that if I joked and teased with them, laughed with them, used limited sarcasm appropriately, and allowed them to tease back, I won them over and had excellent control of the class. The other thing that really helped me when a student got out of control was to remind myself that that student was acting like me when I was 15 or 16. In fact, most of my students, when they acted out, never got as bad as I was at times.
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SGT Adam Winebarger
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One of my DS’s hit his 20 shortly after basic training ended for me. He got out and became a kindergarten teacher. As a private, I was both shocked and horrified by that. As an NCO, and now veteran, I realized that they’re basically the same job.
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CMDCM Rodney Bell
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Well said.
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Sgt Commander, Dav Chapter #90
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WHAT AN EXCELLENT NARRATIVE on why NCOs make great educators! There are too many teachers and professors, who have the academic degrees required for a specific course or subject matter, but many don't have the discipline and drive that an NCO or Officer who is either in the military or a veteran from the military... In my view, there are too many in the advanced collegiate education environment who have never been in the military, and who get more out of simply lecturing and being an individual who is caught up in his or her own power grab, so-to-speak and young people are easily driven to follow, not necessarily lead. I think this is especially true in the Liberal Arts field where those teaching are off in their own myopic world and want their students to subscribe to their way of worldly understanding... I don't believe that this holds true for the sciences, however...I may be off base a bit, but I don't think too far.

I especially liked your paragraph, which leads off with "Those who cannot do, Teach". I went to a Liberal Arts college right out of high school and after a semester, I found it difficult just to attend classes... Some of what was taught, I thought I probably would never use... Half-way through the 2nd semester... I pulled the plug on that educational path, took the tests for all the military branches, scored reasonably equal across the board and ultimately joined the USAF! I have always thought more technically than liberal arts and so the career path I undertook to become an airborne navigation systems repairman was challenging, had purpose and kept me in the forefront of technology. The military regimen taught me the strength of discipline, drive, purpose, camaraderie, and much, much more.

During my enlistment, I married, and decided to leave the USAF and raise a family... I entered Northeastern University to commence my first academic degree, all the while escalating the ladder of success. After achieving an Associate Degree in Electronic Engineering Technology, I adjusted my educational plan and migrated over to a more managerial curriculum for Baccalaureate degree as my position and responsibilities continued to move up that ladder of success. My family had grown from just my wife and I, to a family of seven. My military training gave me the drive, knowledge, perseverance and leadership qualities to complete my college education...

After a great career with high technology companies like Raytheon, GTE Sylvania, Motorola and others, I can honestly tell you that it was my military training by United States Air Force NCOs and Officers, who most guided my education direction and allowed me to succeed... One cannot generally find that in our colleges and university today, at least in my opinion... I am retired now, but still active, Volunteering as a Commander of DAV Chapter #90, Norwood, MA, and as a credentialed research assistant within the Veterans Administration's Research area on the Million Veteran Program at the Boston Veterans Healthcare System at the West Roxbury VA Hospital. I do other things as well, but I owe it all to my USAF career.
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MAJ Matthew Arnold
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So, I taught at one high school where about 10 out of 70 teachers were veterans. Later, I taught at an alternative high school where 2 out of 6 teachers were veterans, but due to the nature of our school, we had a large staff, and about 50% of the staff were veterans. Veterans know how to handle gang-banger teenagers and make good teachers and staff.
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SMSgt Roy Dowdy
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Bravo! Well written and addresses a great deal of what exactly is wrong with today's primary and secondary education. When I instructed at the undergrad level or substituted at the high school level I was repeatedly told that I couldn't grade to actual standard, "every student must feel they can proceed!" This is a severe indictment of our education system today!
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Cpl Tyler Therrien
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Posting to FB this is very well said
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
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SrA Shawn Leggitt
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I find that it is Difficult here in Texas to even get in to teach. Most Districts Require a minimum of a Masters Degree. I only have a Bachelors so I am currently pursuing my Masters in History Education.
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MAJ William Smith
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Keep going. It’s a great job.
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