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Posted on Aug 14, 2014
SSG V. Michelle Woods
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PO3 Christopher Bjork
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Not only would come in a help , take that piece of shit to the tree line and beat the living shit out of him.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Lol love it!
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SFC Chemical Biological Radiological and Nuclear Operations Specialist
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While I will admit that there is a lot of messed up stuff that happens within the Army (since I really can only speak on behalf of the Army), there are still those who believe that we are a family. In spite of our differences in upbringing, color, gender, age, etc., I believe that those I serve alongside are my brothers and sisters, and I will do anything and everything to keep them safe and make them aware of my dedication to the mission and the family.

And I know that there are those within the ranks who feel otherwise, and will betray the trust given to them by others. However, they are not just limited to the "aggressors." I have seen and heard of females who "cry wolf" and destroy males careers for personal reasons. It is sad, but a fact. And they are no better than those who will force themselves upon another, or verbally harass or degrade another.

Problems will exist within any community, it is just a fact. However, the best course of action is to ensure that your small little slice of the pie is made better through your actions. Ensure that those who are the cancer of our society are brought to light. Spread the feeling of togetherness and unity.

Wow, reading that... it was kind of preachy. Sorry.
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Cpl Jeff Buckman
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"I'm not a fan of Marines" really? well we're not a fan of you! I personally have nothing but respect for anyone in any branch well except for military personnel like you who think my branch is the only good one or disparage an entire branch based off of very little information. I'm glad those Marines helped their fellow Marine it doesn't always happen I had a friend that was in that situation and the command swept it under the rug, it sickens me that my fellow Marines would allow this to happen and I would like to think most of us (not just Marines) would not lets this happen. I hope that someday we can have 0 cases across the board.
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PO2 Jonathan Scharff
PO2 Jonathan Scharff
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SSG Brad Porter, I am wondering what kind of response you thought you would get on a military site saying, "I am not a fan of the Marines"? Of course you are, "entitled to your opinion and you don't have to like other branches." However, so is Cpl Jeff Buckman. I just will never understand why people make comments like this and then end up appearing surprised that those who have volunteered and put their lives on the line as well are going to step up and respond. I have to agree with Cpl Jeff Buckman's response, "I personally have nothing but respect for anyone in any branch..." I will leave it at that.

As to the OP, SSG V. Michelle Woods, I have read a little of your experiences in the service regarding sexual harassment and I agree with the majority of posters here...it is quite awful that that happened. I am also glad that you chose to post a positive account of how things should be and how soldiers should act given that history. I believe that there are many examples of this kind of positive behavior, but they are often ignored while we and the media focuses on the negative ones. No one wants this behavior to continue, but I believe one of the ways to end it is to start talking about all of the positive examples that people have done and obviously continue to hold those who don't behave properly as adults and soldiers accountable. That way as leaders and parents we can teach young men how they should act instead of just a barrage of examples of improper behavior.

I think you might want to look at the original question you stated you asked your friend, "if she had experienced an overwhelming amount of sexual harassment/assault while she served in the Corps?" I am not sure if that is how you actually phrased your question, but you might find that you will get a lot of biased answers that way. Not trying to nitpick but I care if any soldier experienced any sexual harassment/assault while they served.

I am also glad to see that you understand that not all men are like this and the majority will not stand idly by why this behavior continues.
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Capt Jeff S.
Capt Jeff S.
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Read what PO2 Jonathan Scharff said. I generally like what you have to say about things SSG P, B, but you just showed your ass to everyone here. It shouldn't shock you that when you go around poking people in the eye, they don't appreciate it. And whatever they thought of you to begin with, they think less of you now. You might want to quit while you're ahead. FWIW.
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Capt Jeff S.
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SSG P, B, Who's whining? Judging by your responses, it's you that is being thin-skinned. Have you read SSG V. Michelle Woods clarifying responses? Apparently you don't take kindly to clues and that's very, very sad -- for YOU. Try to be a little more professional. You disgrace your branch of service.
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LTC Chief, Relocation Plans
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The safest, most effective way to limit harassment and gender-related issues is max integration. Not because everyone is perfect, but because frequent contact shines a light on everything. When I've lived in integrated billeting, had to negotiate shared living/working spaces, etc. -- people didn't fraternize because there was no mystique. You knew who farted, snored, what they looked like in the morning, what their hygiene standards were, etc. And there wasn't a lot of outside relationships, either -- if you were gone often, everyone knew and checked up on you. If someone came by to hang out, all your unit knew and weighed in on whether that person was good enough, right for you, etc. etc. And then there were a million eyes seeing that person in other locations -- so if the relationship went a different direction, it came home pretty quickly, but everyone was there if you were down, and you weren't just moping around in your room by yourself being miserable.

We've gone to segregated gender billeting, and increased privacy for Soldiers across the board -- but that's eliminated a lot of what makes the military "home" or "family" for folks. It would be okay for the pendulum to swing back the other way a little bit.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
SSG V. Michelle Woods
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I completely agree LTC (Join to see)!
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GySgt International It Pmo & Portfolio Manager
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LTC (Join to see) Agreed. Particularly the "mystique" comment. I'm trying to think of a way of presenting an idea without insulting or coming across in the wrong manner. I'll say what I'm thinking, so please "assume positive intent" because I think it's germane to the conversation. I think that it's really important to do what you're saying. I say that women should not act "girly" around guys. I remember walking up on my ex-wife's barracks room (she was a Marine as well) and hearing her and her friends talking about guys. WOW! They were as bad as guys! But that's sometimes a good thing. But I also think that seeing everyone grungy, grumpy, and in sweats and stinky levels things out. The more real and genuine people are, the better. But we also have to be realistic. From what I remember, the Marine Corps was roughly 75% first-termers, 17-22 year old folks, just out of high school with hormones running rampant. So stuff is gonna happen. It's how can we manage that? I'm way more tame now than I was when I was an 18 year-old Marine grunt, hanging around with 30 other guys my age. We were insane! :) How can we get in front of that? I think that's the real challenge.
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GySgt (Join to see) - I'm of two minds on how to get in front of the hormones. One part of me says we don't, specifically because we want Marines to be completely insane (i.e., storm beaches under heavy fire), and maybe we have to accept that we will always have this fine line to walk because of what we want in trade.

The other part says that, as first termers, most of these folks were just recently high school students. That means they aren't too far from the same levels of maturity (ergo, completely willing to be insane when surrounded by friends egging them on). But they also aren't far from the same social awkwardness of high school either. Back to inclusive environments. When the Pig Wall is suddenly visible to all, M/F, older and younger... You get even less opportunity in your own house. We know where everyone has been.

You're right - women are just as bad/worse than men at times. I'd argue that those conversations start happening openly when mixed groups live together... And there's a lot of education that goes on when the window opens and you're privy to the other half's viewpoint.

(Btw - am still trying to figure out where I might have been offended!)
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GySgt International It Pmo & Portfolio Manager
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I guess I've been in the civilian world a while. These kinds of conversations can be touchy out here. So I appreciate being able to open up a bit. THANKS!

I'm thinking that having more women in senior roles providing younger women the guidance and lessons learned can help a lot. Or even better, panels of senior male and female leaders having open dialogue with the troops. Show a united front and setting the tone. I know it's touchy-feely, but we have been doing that in out company and it is making a difference.
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Sgt Stephen Walker
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It has been said before and i'll echo it again here. Speaking from the point that I myself am a Marine we, Marines, don't see color or sex or any other "identifier" all we see is green, the color of our uniform. I treat every Marine the same and hold you to the same expectations. We should concern ourselves with our fellow service members, not just those who are; female, black, hispanic, gay or lesbian, etc. All we should see at the end of the day is the color of the uniform and that should be cause enough.
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Sgt Erle Mutz
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HERE -- HERE!! OOORAAAH
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Cpl Randy W. Kestner Jr
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We should protect all those that can't do it for themselves.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Amen.
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MAJ David Vermillion
MAJ David Vermillion
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Respect for one another is so important.
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LTC John Wilson
LTC John Wilson
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Every man and woman should learn self confidence and respect for each others beliefs. Then improve on their communications so there is less misinterpretation.
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I am in the Army Reserves and work as a civlian for the Marine Corp and I can say the Marines I work with are nothing but upstanding. They conduct themselves with such professionalism. This is an awesome article!
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SGT Craig Northacker
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I am reading a book now about three women who served, and there is a lot of mention of how much those particular women, with their own set of circumstances, enjoyed flirting with men. There is no condoning any immoral or illegal acts, period. But the concept of men and women and how they interact has existed from the dawn of time, complete with all the twists and turns. Many men like to flirt and women enjoy their attentions, and vice versa. Controlling nature is difficult in any event.

The real issue is about respect - from self-respect to mutual respect. Would you kiss your sister, daughter or mother? I like that question. Maybe it is time to evaluate people as people and teach them self-respect. That could be a real time course pre-PCS for your first assignment. What do y'all think?
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LCpl Steve Smith
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Brothers and Sisters,

It appears We for the most part are all on the same page in the belief that Sexual Assault/ Harassment or any other type of assault/ harassment is something that needs to be Everyone's Duty to prevent and or stop no matter the Rank or Branch of service. We all know the Chain of Command and what steps can be taken if one feels their concerns/ issues are not being meet. The worst thing any service member could do is turn a blind eye to the problem from Top to Bottom. Those that do are just as guilty as the one(s) who is Committing the offence in the 1st place. We as a Family need to stay true to ourselves and others by staying Diligent.
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Cpl Ronald Lashley
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We're were taught that we are all the same color just lighter or darker shades of green. We are a different breed that is for certain and those true to the code carry that legacy well passed out days of being enlisted.

With the current climate around us, the youth today could learn from that code of honor and conduct and respect for one another. It's the true meaning of being a solider. It's the true meaning of being a man. We serve. We protect. Doesn't matter color race or gender.
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Capt Andrew Cosgrove
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Having been a Marine I am obviously biased, yet there are some truths to be gleaned and objective differences.

The Army has traditionally, and even to this day, stressed the importance of the individual to the team. You are Army strong, Be all you can be, etc. This carried over into their doctrinal training where they concentrate on the importance of knowing your job. You need to be the expert at your job and be the best at what they train you for.

The Corps takes a different approach. It seems harsh to outsiders but once you learn the difference, and it is nuanced, you can begin to understand why Marines think of themselves as a different breed of the same species known as "The Warrior."

The Marines essentially teach you that as an individual you are essentially worthless. Your effectiveness comes from how well you enable others to do their jobs. It is a perspective difference. The army units that are most combat effective actually teach this same outlook. Delta, SF, etc. the all go against standard Army doctrine in this outlook.

The Marines are taught that we are all "Green." We may be different flavors of Green but in the end, we are all Green. That creates what some call an elitist attitude. Some Marines do have an elitist attitude, the issue is how is that put into action with everyday scenarios.

The closest analogy I can come up with for other people to understand Marines is that we think of ourselves as one big family. Now to be sure there is dysfunction in families, but if you see family that is arguing with itself and you are not of the family and try to break up or mediate the disagreement, what ALWAYS happens? The family turns on you, the outsider.

The Corps is the same way. We have bad apples just like everyone else. The difference is that those bad apples are generally dealt with severely and swiftly. Sure there are instances when that doesn't happen, but if you think about it, most people still have the same reaction when they hear publicly of a Marine getting in trouble. That is because Marines generally take care of their business before it gets widely known, and they take care of it properly.
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MAJ David Vermillion
MAJ David Vermillion
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Strong comment. The "Team Theme" is the way to eliminate trouble and be on the same page for any mission.
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