Posted on Aug 24, 2017
There is Only One Measuring Stick to Veteran Status
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I find it very sad when there are some veterans who say that they don’t feel like veterans - that they don’t feel as if they earned the title because of a lack of certain experiences, awards, or schools. I would like to come forward right now and explain why this entire idea is absolute bullshit.
First, and possibly the most detrimental of these make-believe qualifiers to “be a veteran”, is the idea that the title is only bestowed upon someone that has endured the hardship of deployment or combat. I would like to say that this is not so. If this were truly a largely held belief, then there would be hundreds or thousands of men and women that have honorably worn a uniform and served that would not be considered veterans. Combat is its very own beast.
There are periods of our nation’s history where there was no war for decades, but we still had to maintain a readily available force in order to defend ourselves and deter our enemies. These men and women are just as much veterans as the gruff Marine who has done five tours to the sandbox.
It is not someone’s personal choice that prevents him or her from experiencing the horrors of combat (although for some, they have had the choice and power to stay away from the ordeal). This is dictated by higher commands, ordered to be done by certain units at certain times, and for the young Soldier, Marine, Seaman, Airman, or Coastie, it is pretty much a luck of the draw and out of their control. I don’t know of a single branch manager that would give a crap about some lowly private requesting a particular assignment. Sorry kid, but the needs of that 16-year Sergeant First Class are way higher on the list of priorities.
Second, the idea that a lack of awards or professional recognition somehow makes you less deserving of the title of veteran. I often hear this come from friends of mine that happen to bring awards up in conversation; it doesn’t happen often, but it has happened. Namely with a close friend of mine that served in the Army Reserves. Not only did he never deploy, which of course makes him not claim his veteran status, but he also has remarked that even if he does allow himself to be a veteran, that he is somehow lesser than those of us who have a little more color on our chests. I say that this is possibly even more ridiculous than the combat crap.
Awards are a great way to tell where someone has been, what they have done, and where they stand in a kind of hierarchy when it comes to peer groups. They are a resume that can be worn on your uniform and nothing more. I can tell how far someone is in their professional development as an NCO by seeing how many Noncommissioned Officer Professional Development Ribbons someone has. I can use the information gathered by seeing someone’s campaign medals and overseas service ribbons to see how many times they have been to combat and perhaps if they have served in Germany. I had a friend that had a star on his Airborne Wings; he had participated in one of the only combat jumps into Iraq in the past decade or so. None of these make someone more qualified to be a veteran though. These are just things they have done since they came in; stories that they can tell other veterans while they sit at the VFW and tell their war stories. That is all.
Lastly, “I’m not a real veteran if I didn’t do something ‘cool’.” This one is what leads those poor, underappreciated kids to don their old ACUs, go grab some badges from the local army surplus store, and parade around telling everyone that they were Ranger SEAL Snipers. Everyone is a veteran who served in the US military - not just special forces... it takes all types.
The military does not work without us all. A scout cannot use his M3A3 if the mechanics don’t fix it everytime it breaks. The radios in my truck don’t work properly when I try to call for fire if the commo guys aren’t there to make sure retrains works and that the fill is properly encoded. That combat outpost will go black on water, food, ammunition, and fuel if the 88Ms don’t come rolling through every few days with LogPac. Not everyone can be the super cool Delta Force Operator, but everyone can play a small role in a very large picture. The machine fails if one portion of it fails. Everyone needs to remember that.
If you raised your right hand and took the oath, laced up your boots and put on your uniform. If you did two years and ETS’d or retired with 20 plus. If you were injured or broken somehow and received a medical discharge. If your DD214 says anything other than “Dishonorable” in block 24, you, my friend, are a veteran. You are my brother, my friend, and my family, and I don’t care what any other moron has to say about it.
First, and possibly the most detrimental of these make-believe qualifiers to “be a veteran”, is the idea that the title is only bestowed upon someone that has endured the hardship of deployment or combat. I would like to say that this is not so. If this were truly a largely held belief, then there would be hundreds or thousands of men and women that have honorably worn a uniform and served that would not be considered veterans. Combat is its very own beast.
There are periods of our nation’s history where there was no war for decades, but we still had to maintain a readily available force in order to defend ourselves and deter our enemies. These men and women are just as much veterans as the gruff Marine who has done five tours to the sandbox.
It is not someone’s personal choice that prevents him or her from experiencing the horrors of combat (although for some, they have had the choice and power to stay away from the ordeal). This is dictated by higher commands, ordered to be done by certain units at certain times, and for the young Soldier, Marine, Seaman, Airman, or Coastie, it is pretty much a luck of the draw and out of their control. I don’t know of a single branch manager that would give a crap about some lowly private requesting a particular assignment. Sorry kid, but the needs of that 16-year Sergeant First Class are way higher on the list of priorities.
Second, the idea that a lack of awards or professional recognition somehow makes you less deserving of the title of veteran. I often hear this come from friends of mine that happen to bring awards up in conversation; it doesn’t happen often, but it has happened. Namely with a close friend of mine that served in the Army Reserves. Not only did he never deploy, which of course makes him not claim his veteran status, but he also has remarked that even if he does allow himself to be a veteran, that he is somehow lesser than those of us who have a little more color on our chests. I say that this is possibly even more ridiculous than the combat crap.
Awards are a great way to tell where someone has been, what they have done, and where they stand in a kind of hierarchy when it comes to peer groups. They are a resume that can be worn on your uniform and nothing more. I can tell how far someone is in their professional development as an NCO by seeing how many Noncommissioned Officer Professional Development Ribbons someone has. I can use the information gathered by seeing someone’s campaign medals and overseas service ribbons to see how many times they have been to combat and perhaps if they have served in Germany. I had a friend that had a star on his Airborne Wings; he had participated in one of the only combat jumps into Iraq in the past decade or so. None of these make someone more qualified to be a veteran though. These are just things they have done since they came in; stories that they can tell other veterans while they sit at the VFW and tell their war stories. That is all.
Lastly, “I’m not a real veteran if I didn’t do something ‘cool’.” This one is what leads those poor, underappreciated kids to don their old ACUs, go grab some badges from the local army surplus store, and parade around telling everyone that they were Ranger SEAL Snipers. Everyone is a veteran who served in the US military - not just special forces... it takes all types.
The military does not work without us all. A scout cannot use his M3A3 if the mechanics don’t fix it everytime it breaks. The radios in my truck don’t work properly when I try to call for fire if the commo guys aren’t there to make sure retrains works and that the fill is properly encoded. That combat outpost will go black on water, food, ammunition, and fuel if the 88Ms don’t come rolling through every few days with LogPac. Not everyone can be the super cool Delta Force Operator, but everyone can play a small role in a very large picture. The machine fails if one portion of it fails. Everyone needs to remember that.
If you raised your right hand and took the oath, laced up your boots and put on your uniform. If you did two years and ETS’d or retired with 20 plus. If you were injured or broken somehow and received a medical discharge. If your DD214 says anything other than “Dishonorable” in block 24, you, my friend, are a veteran. You are my brother, my friend, and my family, and I don’t care what any other moron has to say about it.
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Outfreakinstanding article. I almost had to go to blows with my oldest daughters middle school teacher years ago. She asked the kids who's parents were Veterans. My daughter raised her hand and then was asked what war did I fight in. My daughter honestly said that I did not see combat as I served between ODS and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. She is then berated in front of everyone that unless I served in combat I was not "really" a Veteran. Needless to say she came home crying when she told me this story. Some phone calls and letters wound up with my family and I in a room with the teacher, the principal and the chairman of the school board to have the teacher give my daughter and I a personal apology.
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MSgt Kerry Lundy
Georgia also have Veteran Driver's license, Veteran Plate,DAV Plate and (Free) Retired Military plate.
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SFC Jim Ruether
We have to pay for our veteran plates in Minnesota where our governor believes we are just another special interest group looking for a handout! Can ya believe it? Why I oughta! To the moon governor!
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SN Stephen Browning
SFC Jim Ruether - That is outrageous, you gave yourself to your country to do with you what it may, and your governor, most likely, never did a days work in his life. We are all brothers and sisters. In Texas I have no idea about veteran plates, I am a DV so my plates are just 7 dollars a year for one car, of course, the other is full price.
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SFC John La Rue
That teacher doesn't understand what she was saying and shouldn't be saying anything let alone still teaching. That apologie should have been given in front of the entire school perhaps the entire school system. That teacher doesn't have the right to teach.
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Nicely put. This is a conversation I've had with a lot of my Junior Marines. I get it. We're all trained killers ready to kick down doors and fight the enemy. So it's pretty easy for young troops to not see the value in their day to day occupation.
My MOS most people look at like it's a joke. They think all I do is reset computer passwords. They don't realize I'm one of the authorities that helps designate an aircraft safe to fly. Every time I hear of an aircraft going down, I hold my breath and wonder if it's one of mine. I wonder if I made a mistake in my calculations. Did I miss something?
I tell my Marines that every time an aircraft takes off and lands safely, that's a victory for us. Because pilots and other Marines lives are in our hands.
Sometimes that makes them appreciate our contribution to the fight at large. Other times they'd still rather kick down doors.
My MOS most people look at like it's a joke. They think all I do is reset computer passwords. They don't realize I'm one of the authorities that helps designate an aircraft safe to fly. Every time I hear of an aircraft going down, I hold my breath and wonder if it's one of mine. I wonder if I made a mistake in my calculations. Did I miss something?
I tell my Marines that every time an aircraft takes off and lands safely, that's a victory for us. Because pilots and other Marines lives are in our hands.
Sometimes that makes them appreciate our contribution to the fight at large. Other times they'd still rather kick down doors.
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MSgt Kerry Lundy
I feel your pain I was a mechanic in Vietnam. My shop maintained crash fire vehicles,fuel servicing vehicles, cargo handling equipment M113 tracks. I heard many times oh you were/are just a mechanic. I always said without me and the others you wouldn't get your CAS,bombing runs or cargo airlift and the list goes on. Every specialty is a vital link in mission accomplishment. Try working or staying in the boonies without food or medics when you are hit or sick. A well oiled machine is what I use to describe the US Military, every man and woman is vital whether in theater or not they are VETERANS.
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LCpl Emanuel W.
I was given one of the worse (and most picked on and berated) MOS's of the Corps; 1181: Fabric Repairman. We got called everything, to include "Stitch Bitch", "Sew Hoe", being told we "don't rate". Yet, these same people would have the nerve to wake us up in the middle of the night to fix a hole/tear in their tent because it's leaking on them.
Without us, their 782 Gear would be in constant disrepair, GP & CP tents, 5-ton & Humvee covers, and Humvee soft doors would be constantly un-serviceable. This would have cost the Corps too much money to un-necessarily replace these. We've gone as far as resharpening sewing needles until they break/shatter, to cutback on costs.
Some people are surprised such an MOS existed and understand the cost effectiveness of having an MOS in the military. Others scoff at the fact that this is what I did for 3 1/2 years. They didn't care that if it came down to it (nearly happened twice), I'd be deployed in a heartbeat.
Without us, their 782 Gear would be in constant disrepair, GP & CP tents, 5-ton & Humvee covers, and Humvee soft doors would be constantly un-serviceable. This would have cost the Corps too much money to un-necessarily replace these. We've gone as far as resharpening sewing needles until they break/shatter, to cutback on costs.
Some people are surprised such an MOS existed and understand the cost effectiveness of having an MOS in the military. Others scoff at the fact that this is what I did for 3 1/2 years. They didn't care that if it came down to it (nearly happened twice), I'd be deployed in a heartbeat.
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LT Daniel Bell, USN(ret)
I had an Marine as a neighbor once. He and I agreed that everyone in the military is taught at some point how to use a weapon be it a rifle, 9mm, .45 colt, etc when in boot camp. We are/were all trained to be able to defend ourselves and others. I recall standing many a topside watch on my sub with a 45 strapped to my hip and I was trained and ready to use it if necessary. Thank God that never came but I'd be willing to bet that no matter what service you were in, you received this type of training. My Marine neighbor told me about his experiences during the Tet Offensive while he was stationed at Danang and he related that it didn't matter what service you were in, nor if you were a cook, wrench turner or paper pusher, you were armed and fighting back! When SHTF, we are all in/on the same boat!
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Well said. I am troubled when I hear those that discount themselves because they served in peace time. We are all equal especially in today's world of an all volunteer military. Anyone who joins has the possibility of laying down their lives for this nation. That is good enough for me.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson These are words that need to spoken more often!!! People forget too easily what it really means to be a veteran! everyone who joined signed a blank check give up to and including their lives.. some were just lucky enough to not have to cash it.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson -- thank you! Very well said. As a Cold War veteran, I have run up against the prejudices you describe. I wholeheartedly agree: if you have a DD214 showing honorable service, you are a veteran. You should take pride in your service! Veterans with long and distinguished service records, combat stars on their EIB or a "V" device on their Air Medal, deserve special respect. The rest of us may have few exciting or interesting experiences or stories, but we did our part, stood our watch, and contributed to defending the Constitution and our Nation.
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I believe every life lost in a training accident is a valuable as one lost in combat.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
That goes without saying. The life of another human being is always priceless and precious. Regardless of how a servicemember passes, they should be honored.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson Great words. Even if you are in the land of that pretend bird that wears pilgrim shoes - the Jayhawk (MIZ!!!). Truer words are rarely spoken. I am a veteran, but received a medical discharge before ever even going on a TDY. I served between Desert Storm & 9/11. Do I regret not serving longer? Yes. Do I consider myself a part of a group of special folks that were willing to sacrifice a portion of their life so that they could do something greater than themselves? Also Yes.
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My take on this subject is once you say the words" I. - Do solemnly swear ...." You forever have the privilege of being a Veteran
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SPC Crystal Sandercock
My dad enlisted in the navy in 1956. He was released from service because he developed an ear infection that left him deaf in one ear. He was told he couldn't receive benefits
since this occurred during basic. It took them a year to discharge him (honorably) but has not even had so much as an attempt to recognize him as a veteran. He is 77 and last year we started the paperwork for VA disability. Of course they denied him benefits. What bothers me the most is that even though he raised his hand. swore his oath, and has been honorably discharged from service he has never been recognized as a veteran for him he has been "nothing". Just the kind of paperwork you use to start fires with. ITS Bull.....
since this occurred during basic. It took them a year to discharge him (honorably) but has not even had so much as an attempt to recognize him as a veteran. He is 77 and last year we started the paperwork for VA disability. Of course they denied him benefits. What bothers me the most is that even though he raised his hand. swore his oath, and has been honorably discharged from service he has never been recognized as a veteran for him he has been "nothing". Just the kind of paperwork you use to start fires with. ITS Bull.....
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SGT Philip Roncari
SPC Crystal Sandercock - Truly sorry to hear about your dad's troubles with the VA I think any Veteran would recognize his service ,pencil pushers be damned,
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SPC Tom DeSmet
Crystal, my father in law had the same thing going on, but somewhere around 2005 his status changed to Navy Veteran. He had little resources but somehow he began receiving all medical treatment from the VA Medical Center in Iowa City, Iowa. I wish I had asked him about it but you should check into his status again.
Unfortunately, he was beginning treatment for lymphoma but fell and broke his hip at the hospital. They finally stabilized him enough to repair his hip, but woke only briefly and died a few days later. He was bitter about not being considered a veteran earlier in life, but at least they rectified it while he was still alive!
Good Luck!
Unfortunately, he was beginning treatment for lymphoma but fell and broke his hip at the hospital. They finally stabilized him enough to repair his hip, but woke only briefly and died a few days later. He was bitter about not being considered a veteran earlier in life, but at least they rectified it while he was still alive!
Good Luck!
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Thanks for posting this article. I served through Grenada, Panama, and Desert Storm. I was in the reserves by the time Desert Storm happened. My unit was activated and I had less than 24 hours to pack. As a citizen soldier, I walked out on my job, apartment, girlfriend, college, and family. When my car broke down on the way to the drill center, I watched as two Vietnam vets towed it away. I was going to war. Another sergeant came and got me. I was valuable to the unit as I had a military license to drive or operate anything our reserve unit had. That was January-February 1991. We waited on the flight line at Rickenbecker AFB for our turn to go. The government chose to send a different unit out of Chicago instead. That was as close as I got to being in combat. We were told to stand down in March and I returned home. Over the years the American Legion approached me three times for membership. I didn't join because I didn't think myself as deserving. Somebody somewhere knew who I was. I finally joined to take advantage of the USAA credit card and it's lower interest rate. I was surprised that I had already been approved by congress to join AL. I didn't realize that I could have also joined SAL because my father was a Navy vet during the Cuban Missile blockade and he was also a legionnaire for a short period of time. I don't bother the VFW guys. I feel that combat vets need their place too. It's nice that they will allow me to have a drink at their table occasionally though. It's an honor and privilege to be accepted into AL. I keep my card up to date and try to pay my CC off on time because of the people who stand behind those things. My son also qualifies for SAL now. My grandfather was a vet of the battle of Leyte Gulf in WWII. I've visited Manila, and spent two months at Ft. Clayton, Panama. Being brave and standing up for our country runs in my family. All three of us, my grandfather, father, and myself are like the unsung, work a day soldiers and sailors that nobody pays much attention too. We're the cogs in the wheel so to speak. I have met and worked with some fantastic people who had great military careers but I'm okay with just being another boot. We can't all be heroes. I just really enjoyed being a part of it all. Regards.
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A1C John Weiss
Welcome to the Legion family. Being a dual member myself, I am very proud of my father's service in WW2 as one of the Red Ball Express. Me I was an SP K-9 cop in the USAF 72-74.
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