Posted on Apr 8, 2015
Veterans: Have you joined the American Legion or VFW? Why or why not?
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As I wrote this, responses to that question were arriving every minute from the "Vietnam Veterans Only" group on Facebook. It seems my question hit a nerve. Take a look at a random sampling of the responses in the image...
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
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Responses: 202
I'm a lifetime member of the VFW, but I couldn't tell you the last time I went in.
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Visited Ft. McClellan, at Anniston, Ala in 1972 at the Chemical school and while there, went to the VFW outside of the base to have a drink with a fellow Vietnam Veteran. As we sat up at the bar we noticed several tables running along our backside filled with many veterans laughing and having a good time, when all of a sudden, this wirery looking guy approached us as ask if we were Veterans, to satisfy his inquiry we naturally stated yes and that we were still on active service visiting Ft. McClellan. The big burley ex-Marine working behind the bar ask us if we were part of the group at the tables, we told him we were not and that we had stopped by for a beer. Well before you knew it we were surrounded by a group of twelve or more and each were talking over each other. This one Gentlemen ask what war we fought in and we told him Vietnam. Vietnam, he shouted, Vietnam! Hell, boys that’s no fucking war, it’s a police action. I told him I bid the differ when all of a sudden four of them stood close to us and said, “You’re not welcome here”! Looking at my friend who nodded, he stood up, faced the group and looked at each one standing there before us. I told them you may consider it however you may, but our boys are dying just as fast as yours from whatever war you fought. We, this didn’t go over very well. So, my pal and I walked to the door and upon reaching it, they yelled “Go fight a real war before coming back your phony fucks”. Well to this day whenever the VFW solicits membership, I remember that incident and opt to ignore their pleas. I guess the real war Veterans of WWII are dying off and their ranks are thinning so now they’ll except anyone, anyone but me.
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I belong to both the VFW and Amer Legion. One gripe I have is that I became a Life Member of the VFW many years ago at a cost of about $385.00, Here I am now at age 63 and if I want to become a Legion Life Member the cost is something like $785.00 or a little less if I pay a lump sum. Also just paid my Legion membership for next year at $41.50, not sure I'll renew after 2018!!
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I joined VFW, but honestly don't go at all. I went once and felt out of place with a bunch of Vietnam vets and Korea vets. Now I was Infantry and did 2 tours to Iraq, but I also know that my war stories are nothing compared to some Vietnam guys and its weird but I was almost intimidated by them which is strange as nothing has intimidated me since I met my drill sergeants haha.
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The responses were/ are terrific. I have not but now I am going to look into joining the Vietnam Veterans of America.
Currently I am working on abolishing the"Table" used by the VA to combine Service Connected Disabilities. It does not perform the task it was designed to do. Example a person loses an eye and is awarded a 50% disability, and loses the other eye he then should receive another 50% for a total of 100%. Not 25% for a total of 75% as the table gives.
Interested? Read http://www.w3usa.com/rating.htm
Currently I am working on abolishing the"Table" used by the VA to combine Service Connected Disabilities. It does not perform the task it was designed to do. Example a person loses an eye and is awarded a 50% disability, and loses the other eye he then should receive another 50% for a total of 100%. Not 25% for a total of 75% as the table gives.
Interested? Read http://www.w3usa.com/rating.htm
combined Veteran disability claim
Veteran Combined Disability Rating
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I joined the VFW and FRA while on active duty, currently VFW Service Officer for Pacific Areas District 2 (Mainland Japan) being allowed to represent the VFW in this appointment is an absolute privilege.
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Just this past Tuesday, 15 Nov 16, I finally stepped foot inside the only VSO in my town that I know of, the American Legion Post 447 in Round Rock, Texas. Despite the tobacco stench hanging in the air, I hung around, checked the place out, and hunted for some information. Some of the guys were friendly, most of them kept to themselves, but still, I felt no reason to split immediately. When I finally found the post commander, we conversed and I was surprised to find out that they meet every first Tuesday of the month at 6pm to discuss activities, charge $45/yr for membership, have a web page ( http://www.txlegion447.org ), keep a FB page ( http://www.facebook.com/GeorgeJohnsPost447 ), and need a person to fill the spot of post chaplain. I saw evidence that they celebrated Veterans Day, cater to alcohol drinkers, have plenty of tables, chairs, and big screen tv's, and have an atm on premises, and rent the party area out for events. Awesome! If I do become a member, I don't see myself really hanging around much on premises often without a purpose. I would really rather not inhale that much secondhand smoke and smell that much beer breath (Because of my height, my nose hits most people's mouths.) From the outside, the post looks inviting, though. Here are some pictures I took. I am going to investigate how politically active they (The American Legion) are and how advantageous a membership (at Post 447) turns out to be. Finally, to my Facebook veteran friends that live within driving distance of Round Rock, if YOU drink and smoke, this is the place to be! Tomorrow is Friday, people!! Have a great Autumn/Thanksgiving 2016 season, people!
American Legion Post 447 - Round Rock, TX
American Legion Post 447 - George Johns Post, Round Rock, TX
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I would like to, but can't join either, my dates of service fell in between the dates for eligibility in both organizations, 5/1985 - 5/1989. I served for 4 years, and am disappointed I can't join. I am a Marine, and would have gone anywhere at anytime, its not my fault there wasn't a conflict going on during my time of service. Very dissapointing
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Sgt Dale Cusack
As a Marine, you are also qualified for the Marine Corps League. You should look into that.
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I was a member of the VFW but quit when they endorsed GHWB after he gave a speech in Sep saying that was day Japan bombed Hawaii. Then the VFW endorsed a man for Congress, who had never served, instead of an Iraqi veteran who lost 2 legs & her right arm, Tammy Duckworth. How is that standing up for Veterans?
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I never served in combat as nothing occurred during my 4 years of active duty service. Every mailer I received always excluded my time frame for regular membership. June 1975 - June 1979
August 24, 1982 to July 31, 1984 (Lebanon/Grenada)
February 28, 1961 to May 7, 1975 (Vietnam)
August 24, 1982 to July 31, 1984 (Lebanon/Grenada)
February 28, 1961 to May 7, 1975 (Vietnam)
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