Posted on Apr 8, 2015
Veterans: Have you joined the American Legion or VFW? Why or why not?
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As I wrote this, responses to that question were arriving every minute from the "Vietnam Veterans Only" group on Facebook. It seems my question hit a nerve. Take a look at a random sampling of the responses in the image...
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
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Responses: 202
I joined the American Legion and I enjoy the commraderie. I am the Post Chaplain and enjoy it. I would recommend all vets and Active duty to join either one or both VFW or AL, and if you do not have the funds I am sure your dues would be covered. My post has helped many vets and that includes me with funds.
I first thought that these groups were for HEROS. I finally went and was totally accepted. I may not have been in active combat but I did provide the behind the scenes support and the members have never turned me away. They are dual members of both the Legion and VFW and keep trying to get me to join. When I am retired I will join but between work and Legion I get swamped with work. In fact I am still recovering from color guard duty at the July 4th parade. Y'all stay Blessed and safe.
I first thought that these groups were for HEROS. I finally went and was totally accepted. I may not have been in active combat but I did provide the behind the scenes support and the members have never turned me away. They are dual members of both the Legion and VFW and keep trying to get me to join. When I am retired I will join but between work and Legion I get swamped with work. In fact I am still recovering from color guard duty at the July 4th parade. Y'all stay Blessed and safe.
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Just last week this USAF retired vet joined the American Legion, after years of my brother-in-law (US Navy) reminding me, encouraging me, and sending me application forms. I joined online. My biggest reason not to join? The last time I went into the local Legion post to check it out, the whole place was thick with cigarette smoke. I am a non-smoker, so this was a total show-stopper for me. Then, last spring, I happened to be attending a professional conference at the same convention center where the American Legion was holding a national conference. I bumped into a Legionnaire from my home state and we talked for awhile. I mentioned the smoking thing and he said all chapters nationally are now non-smoking. Also, my son is approaching the age when he's eligible to attend Boys State, as I did in high school. Boys State left a very positive impression on me and led to my becoming Governor last year. (Just kidding! I have never run for an elected office, but I have voted in every election since my high school graduation!) So, I joined online last week. Wonder how long it takes to get my membership package through snail mail?
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I've checked out both. Had a few beers and went to a few events and will get more active as I get less active in military
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I was an American Legion member for years. I do not qualify to join the VFW as anything but an auxiliary. That said, I let my AL membership lapse because I had other priorities, little disposable income and no time. I might return to the AL at some point, but at this place in my life, I restrict my membership dues to organizations I can actively participate in.
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Life member of VFW and the DAV. VFW membership was first given to me by my uncle when I had just returned from Vietnam. I used the DAV in processing my claims with VA. Never joined the Legion.
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I haven't joined any organizations because I was busy raising a family and moving to various locations, but after reading your article, I think I would like to seek out the American Legion in my area and see what I can do to help.
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Yes I did but let my membership lapse for American Legion and I'm a life member of the VFW
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I joined my local AL back in NJ, but they didn't seem to do much other than local parades and sit around the hall and drink beer. I asked several times what are we doing or what can I do? Never got an answer. We moved to NC a few years ago to make a fresh start and I haven't had time yet, between work and going back to school full time
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