Posted on Apr 8, 2015
Veterans: Have you joined the American Legion or VFW? Why or why not?
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As I wrote this, responses to that question were arriving every minute from the "Vietnam Veterans Only" group on Facebook. It seems my question hit a nerve. Take a look at a random sampling of the responses in the image...
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
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Responses: 202
I just got accepted to the American Legion, and am trying to join the VFW, but the VFW hasn't accepted me yet, my DD 214 doesn't say anything about my service in Korea from 96-97...hopefully they will accept me. I like both organizations.
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I keep being ask to join the American Legion but my local post allows members to smoke in the post I do not smoke and being around it makes me sick is there a rule about smoking in the post my VFW do’s not allow it can anyone give me advise?
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CPT Jack Durish
Look for another post. Sadly you're going to have to expand your search inasmuch as you appear to be pretty remote
https://www.vfw.org/oms/findpost.aspx
https://www.vfw.org/oms/findpost.aspx
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PO3 Brad Phlipot
Yes sir on both. I visited my local establishments and more often then not sadly I saw both as a drinking club. I did my share of drinking in the service and thus no longer drink do to health issues so I found no productive reason for me to be involved.
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SFC Thomas Howes
Ya at my VFW there is only a hand full that go to the monthly meeting the others hang out at the bar and complain I tell them go to the meeting you are here any way
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SFC Thomas Howes
I have looked for other post but they are way to far for me to join I feel there should be a no smoking policy in the post for I know a lot of guys and girls that would join but stay away because of the smoking
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I keep being ask to join the American Legion but my local post allows members to smoke in the post I do not smoke and being around it makes me sick is there a rule about smoking in the post my VFW do’s not allow it can anyone give me advise?
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I am not eligible for either one based on my Service Dates. I served between Grenada and Desert Storm. The joy of being a Cold Warrior!!!
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SFC Thomas Howes
From what I understand you still join the American Legion you don't have to have deployed for that one
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I am a life member of the VFW and 82d Airborne Division Association. I am very active in the VFW having served as a Post Commander and now as a District Commander. I am pushing for change in the 25 posts within the district I am a Commander of. Posts which embrace change are seeing younger veterans become involved and higher membership. This isn't easy for our older veterans and this does take treading easy. I respect all of my fellow veterans. Promoting teamwork and comradeship is just as important as instituting change. We are in this for the commonality of helping our fellow veterans and continuing to serve in our communities.
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I use to be a member when I was stationed at Ft. Benning, once I retired and moved to Florida, I really hadn't considered locating a VFW.
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SSG Gene Carroll SR.
i'M A LIFE MEMBER OF THE VFW AND DAV, VETERANS BLIND GROUP. AND USED TO BE A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN LEGION AND I'M PROUD TO BE A PART OF THEM.
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Too many activities that revolve around alcohol. Why is this, we can't be social without alcohol.
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I have been a member of the Legion since I originally ETS'd in 1998. Since I am active duty they of course pay my dues and I attend meetings and parades and such when I am able to get back home on leave. A great bunch of guys and I like the work they do for the community back home. However, I have also heard that a lot of Legion halls and VFW's have "issues" with the younger generation when we try to attend meetings or something. As if its a WWII/NAM/ Korea/ Gulf thing only.
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SFC Judith Storm
VFW since 1991, thanks, Dad! Interesting 24 years as I am only female vet and the old dudes ('Nam) still aren't used to me, but our Iraq and Afghanistan vets all me Sergeant Granny. What a difference a few decades make.
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FN George Woodruff
I understand where you are coming from. I am a World War Two veteran who joined a Legion Post when I got out of the Navy. I was 19 and felt like a fish out of water. I went back in the Army and when I got out I joined both the VFW and the DAV. The VFW Post was mostly a smoky bar so I quit and never re-joined. I have been a Life Member of the DAV since 1970 as it could always be counted on to fight for veteran's benefits. As a 100 percent service disabled veteran I am in a VA Nursing Home with disabled veterans of six wars where the local Legion Posts really take care of us so I re-joined. Don't give up on Service organizations. They are the ones who fight for our rights when no one else seems to care. Be patient. As you age you will find one that fits.
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Sir, I joined the VFW last year as a lifetime member. I went to the VFW for help with my Agent Orange claim, so felt it was only right to join. I am currently a Member at Large, but will consider joining a Post, now that I am retired. If I join a Post, it will have to have a strong commitment to helping veterans.
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