Posted on Apr 8, 2015
Veterans: Have you joined the American Legion or VFW? Why or why not?
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As I wrote this, responses to that question were arriving every minute from the "Vietnam Veterans Only" group on Facebook. It seems my question hit a nerve. Take a look at a random sampling of the responses in the image...
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
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Responses: 202
I thought about joining when I returned from Iraq, and my father was a lifetime member of the VFW. However, I don't know if I'll ever get over the staunch support for DADT I saw from both organizations. That really turned me off to them.
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I joined in the 80's thinking it was something more than it turned out to be . I did not feel the support I had expected . In my area at that time if you were not a Marine you were nothing and had no say in the post. And the drinking was second reason to quit .
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CPT Jack Durish
I too live in Marine country (Southern California) and have enjoyed a fair amount of "good-natured" rivalry. However, I got my licks in. The Marines proudly fly their flags every holiday and so I got an Army flag and "spoiled" the neighborhood with it.
That being said, I have never suffered anything like second-class citizenship in my posts (VFW and AL). Again, "results vary"...
That being said, I have never suffered anything like second-class citizenship in my posts (VFW and AL). Again, "results vary"...
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MAJ David Vermillion
I will not be a member of an organization where friendship revolves around drinking.
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I'm a lifetime member of VFW and joined to build friendship with fellow veterans like myself.
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I joined both the American Legion and VFW within weeks of getting out. I only paid a year each. Both basically were just bars that held once or twice a month spaghetti dinners.
I was insulted at the Mt Clemens MI American Leigon post by 3 Veterans in their 60's cause I was not drinking. I left and let my membership expire.
I never returned to either. When I inquired about assistance to file for my VA disability I was blown off. I ended up going to the VA Hospital in Ann Arbor and the DAV filed my paperwork and 8 months later I was collecting my benefits.
I went to a VFW post in Olongopo Philippines and it was actually a nice place and I was treated very well. It is all American Expats and from experience expats are nicer than regular Americans.
My experiences with Veterans Orgs have left me jaded against them. I know many other Veterans have great experiences with them so I am happy that they are there for them. Until the Legion and VFW transform into something else than a bar for angry vets to hang out at I do not wish to attend.
I was insulted at the Mt Clemens MI American Leigon post by 3 Veterans in their 60's cause I was not drinking. I left and let my membership expire.
I never returned to either. When I inquired about assistance to file for my VA disability I was blown off. I ended up going to the VA Hospital in Ann Arbor and the DAV filed my paperwork and 8 months later I was collecting my benefits.
I went to a VFW post in Olongopo Philippines and it was actually a nice place and I was treated very well. It is all American Expats and from experience expats are nicer than regular Americans.
My experiences with Veterans Orgs have left me jaded against them. I know many other Veterans have great experiences with them so I am happy that they are there for them. Until the Legion and VFW transform into something else than a bar for angry vets to hang out at I do not wish to attend.
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PO2 Barry Baker
Agreed Sir. I wanted to make the point that it was only 2 individual locations that I had issues at.
My experiences however have left me to avoid the organizations and instead interact with Veterans online. One of the reasons I joined this site yesterday.
My experiences however have left me to avoid the organizations and instead interact with Veterans online. One of the reasons I joined this site yesterday.
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MAJ Matthew Arnold
When I retired in 2002 I was well and didn't want anything from the VA or the taxpayers. As time went on ailments which I know to be service connected grew worse. I went to the VA and on 2 claims gave me service connected with 0%, on another claim it gave me 10%. So, I went to the VFW. The rep in Salt Lake City told me to use the form, collect the information, submit it, all by myself. I wondered if I could get some help from the VFW. I did not receive any help. Discouraged, I accepted my 10% and gave up. A few years later my brother, a member of the American Legion said to join the legion and they will help. I go the same story from the AL rep in Salt Lake City. Do it yourself. At least in Salt Lake City they are no help. I thought they were suppose to help you, almost do it for you, almost like a lawyer gets into it for you. Anyway, they have been no help to me. I keep a membership in the AL just for the lobby influence in D.C.
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PO2 Barry Baker
Major, inside the VA hospitals they have VSO's. I went to the DAV and they just had me bring my military medical record and DD214. They filed all the paperwork and did everything. I was granted %70 and a year later upgraded to %100. I hope that my experience might lead you to checking out the VSO's inside the VA hospitals. Perhaps you could get granted more.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I joined after Desert Storm, but did not became active until took command in 2011. Prior to that, I was too busy "with life", raising kids, going to school, working. Now that I am older, I support my local chapter. INVEST IN YOUR FUTURE; JOIN TODAY!
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Yes, I am a member of the American Legion. Not eligible to be a member of the VFW.
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I joined the VFW in the summer of 2005 as a Life Member. Although I am not especially active in my local Post, I wear my pin as a tie tac in uniform and on my jacket lapel. I'm also an on again/off again member of the American Legion.
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CPT Arch Nissel
About the same here LTC, never in anyplace long enough to get involved from 2005 on.
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I am currently working on the SAR for family reasons, have thought about VFW and AL and was a member of the AL post where I live but didnt have a chance to renew due to financial issues... Love what they all do.
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SrA (Join to see)
I have been working with my Grandfather who is a vet on our family tree and compiling information on all of our family members who were military both foreign and US. Currently have 44 members dating back to the revolutionary war time frame.
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I was part of the VFW for a year but just don't see paying every year for something I really don't use.
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SSG Richard Reilly
Financially paying for something that I don't use isn't smart. I have limited income and rather not spend. If the Governement thought this way we might come out of debt. I understand what they do on the political level but limited income is limited income. I rather spend money on my family instead of a organization that might fight for a belief or concern I might have that may or may not effect me in 30 years. There are far more better things I can use my money for that can immediately help the community and country.
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