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Henry David Thoreau writes that “All men recognize the right of revolution; that is, the right to refuse allegiance to, and to resist, the government, when its tyranny or its inefficiency are great and unendurable”. This may be a fact, but what is not a fact is that all men (and women) do not recognize, or at least agree, on when it becomes a necessity to revolt or conduct revolution. Although we may have differing ideas, I believe that we have already been given an exact measurement as to what constitutes an act of revolution against the American government.
In present day America, citizens riot and protest in the streets for any number of reasons. As of the announcement that Donald Trump won the election for President of the United States in November of 2016, it would seem that any reason is also a good reason to go out and call for civil war. That being said, I believe that this is absolute nonsense. I, however, seem to be the minority opinion. In September of 2017, Katie Williams wrote an article for the website “The Hill” in which she stated, “Anti-fascist activists, or ‘antifa’, increasingly mobilized in the wake of President Trump’s election, are unapologetic about what they describe as the necessary use of violence to combat authoritarianism.” Authoritarianism is defined as the enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom. Interestingly enough, the only authority that has been asked to be obedient to is the law and I do not believe that abiding by the law is any reason to riot or revolt against the President of the United States.
In fact, the founding fathers, in their ultimate wisdom and uncanny ability to foresee the trials of this country long before they ever occur, left all of us an exact set of circumstances in which it is proper to rise up against our government. In the second paragraph of the United States’ Declaration of Independence, the founding fathers wrote,
“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness – That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
It was stated outright at the very moment that our country became a country, when the founding fathers initiated their own revolution against the tyrannical government of Great Britain, the very circumstances that they say fit to begin revolution.
The opposition may argue that we are experiencing a similar state of affairs at present but I submit that in order for a government or, in the case of the always hated President Donald Trump, an individual in government to be considered to be acting in a fashion that constitutes being defined as destructive that one must first identify the laws or article of the constitution that is being violated or disregarded. I ask that those who believe the government has reached a point in which it is time to take up arms against it to point out where violations have been purposefully perpetrated, for without being able to clearly demonstrate that one’s government has overstepped their bounds into realm of tyranny the peoples who choose to arm themselves against a lawful government are not revolutionaries but terrorists; terrorists are defined as persons who use unlawful violence in the pursuit of political aims.
I submit that, as citizens of what, in my opinion, is the greatest country to ever be, that we understand that there is a need for revolution when our government turns on us, but that time is not now. I believe that if and or when the time to take up arms is upon us that every man and woman will be able to see it. I believe that it is time that the citizens of this country recognize not only that there may be a time for revolution but that they recognize the correct set of circumstances laid out for us by our founding fathers to know when that time has come.
In present day America, citizens riot and protest in the streets for any number of reasons. As of the announcement that Donald Trump won the election for President of the United States in November of 2016, it would seem that any reason is also a good reason to go out and call for civil war. That being said, I believe that this is absolute nonsense. I, however, seem to be the minority opinion. In September of 2017, Katie Williams wrote an article for the website “The Hill” in which she stated, “Anti-fascist activists, or ‘antifa’, increasingly mobilized in the wake of President Trump’s election, are unapologetic about what they describe as the necessary use of violence to combat authoritarianism.” Authoritarianism is defined as the enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom. Interestingly enough, the only authority that has been asked to be obedient to is the law and I do not believe that abiding by the law is any reason to riot or revolt against the President of the United States.
In fact, the founding fathers, in their ultimate wisdom and uncanny ability to foresee the trials of this country long before they ever occur, left all of us an exact set of circumstances in which it is proper to rise up against our government. In the second paragraph of the United States’ Declaration of Independence, the founding fathers wrote,
“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness – That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
It was stated outright at the very moment that our country became a country, when the founding fathers initiated their own revolution against the tyrannical government of Great Britain, the very circumstances that they say fit to begin revolution.
The opposition may argue that we are experiencing a similar state of affairs at present but I submit that in order for a government or, in the case of the always hated President Donald Trump, an individual in government to be considered to be acting in a fashion that constitutes being defined as destructive that one must first identify the laws or article of the constitution that is being violated or disregarded. I ask that those who believe the government has reached a point in which it is time to take up arms against it to point out where violations have been purposefully perpetrated, for without being able to clearly demonstrate that one’s government has overstepped their bounds into realm of tyranny the peoples who choose to arm themselves against a lawful government are not revolutionaries but terrorists; terrorists are defined as persons who use unlawful violence in the pursuit of political aims.
I submit that, as citizens of what, in my opinion, is the greatest country to ever be, that we understand that there is a need for revolution when our government turns on us, but that time is not now. I believe that if and or when the time to take up arms is upon us that every man and woman will be able to see it. I believe that it is time that the citizens of this country recognize not only that there may be a time for revolution but that they recognize the correct set of circumstances laid out for us by our founding fathers to know when that time has come.
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Trump is turning things around , with out him it would be civil was thevliberals r out of their minds. So let’s Import more MS 13. They want war ...bring it....USMC....SEMPER FI
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Why do you say "...the always hated President Trump..."
He won, get a grip.
Enough of this revolution vs.
He won, get a grip.
Enough of this revolution vs.
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SPC Andrew Ross
No, I did not finish the post. When reading to the aforementioned quote, that was it, no mas. What do you mean by the "always hated..."?
Hated by whom... you?
There are plenty of Hillary or Bernie supporters on RP, but also Trump supporters as well.
Hated by whom... you?
There are plenty of Hillary or Bernie supporters on RP, but also Trump supporters as well.
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It's interesting how all of the talk of armed revolution and duty to the constitution over the man in office just suddenly went quiet after 2016. From militias to brownshirts in the blink of an eye.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
The only ones wanting a Coup are the Democrats and especially those in California. Maxine Waters, Louis Gutierrez, Tom Steyer, Diane Feinstein, Al Green, Among the few. They are the ones who are pushing the Impeachment bandwagon even though there are absolutely no reasons for impeachment. Roughly 75% of the Military love Trump, it would be kinda hard to push a coup with those numbers. Plus the people of America are well armedand they love trump.
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SGT Keith Wise
After the election we didn't feel quite so threatened. There is a new legally constitutional President in office now. The brownshirts are now wearing ANTIFA shirts. They demonize what they actually stand for and accuse everyone who disagrees with them of THEIR crimes. Typical liberals.
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SPC Jesse Davis
SGT Keith Wise -
'legally constitutional president'
This guy who has openly and blatantly violated a spread of protections and ethical norms is okay, but the prior was an issue because of.. what, his heritage? There's not much else to really go on when this kind of argument is made.
Though, at least some people are honest about it.
'legally constitutional president'
This guy who has openly and blatantly violated a spread of protections and ethical norms is okay, but the prior was an issue because of.. what, his heritage? There's not much else to really go on when this kind of argument is made.
Though, at least some people are honest about it.
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SGT Keith Wise
SPC Jesse Davis, I am a student of history. Anyone who has studied the founding father's will know that they formed this "Republic" based on the writings of many different contemporaries of their time. One of which was Emmerich de Vattel who wrote "The Law of Nations". This is where they derived the term "Natural Born Citizen". You can find the text here http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel.htm . You can even download the pdf to study. I suggest that everyone do so. A "Natural Born Citizen" is defined as a citizen who's parents are both citizens of a country. By his own admission and birth certificate the previous president was not eligible for that office. His father was from Kenya (which at the time of his birth wasn't even Kenya). This automatically disqualifies him from that office. The people of this country were LIED to by politicians and media alike. If you choose to not see the truth, or attack those who speak it, you do yourself and this country a great disservice.
Law of Nations Chapter 19:
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.
Law of Nations Chapter 19:
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.
Emmerich de Vattel: The Law of Nations
[1] Should be: Nihil est enim illi principideo, qui omnem mundum regit, quod quidem in terris fiat, acceptius quamconcilia coetusque hominum iure sociati, quae civitates appellantur.
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If only the men and women of the armed forces knew the absolute truth of matter. It's so deep that I even hate to attempt to bring in all to light, for the common people have absolutely no clue what has happened to them! I'll ask you all to do this one little thing. Prove me wrong that YOU are Americans! Show me the proof as if you were in a courtroom and your life depended on it! I ask YOU ( Military might have something, like Geneva Convention papers) to find one government issued papers that say American on it! Go ahead, look on your drivers licence, passport, birth certificate, what ever else you can find. Does it say American anywhere? NO! You are not American's! You are U.S Citizens! You have NO Nationality! NONE! You THINK you have one but you don't! And thus that Constitution DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU! Further more you didn't sign it! Which make any claim to it fraud! You can't claim it in a courtroom! If you try you'll be held in contempt of court, or called a Sovereign Citizen (which is a tag of death!) This Left/Right game is all a mind fuck for the clueless masses to believe! How is it that every nation on earth gives their people the name and nationality of their country except the U.S? Why are you stateless and without one? You don't get it do you? You are not Americans!!! You are not fighting for freedoms! You don't have them! You are the lap dogs of the elite who you serve without question! That kind of mind is nothing more than a zombie! it cares not to think, it just does what it does! The President is the leader of a Corporation called the U.S! The congress (ALL OF THEM) are members of that corporation called the U.S! The real country was over thrown as soon as it got started. Just like in business, when you register the name of your business, it must be the same across everything it appears on. If not then the Secretary of State will not allow you to go into business! You can't say The ABC Company, and the ABC Company! Those are two different companies and wont be allowed! So ask yourself why this country have so many different name changes? The United States of America, the United States of America, The U.S.A, U.S. Which one are YOU fighting for? I bet you don't know, or even worse don't give a shit! The point of all that is to say that we are being played like dumb fools, because for the most part, We As A People are! But we sure can blame the democrats or the republicans, all of which work for the same cause, and that is to keep you in a mindless, endless game of the left vs. the right. It's two wings of the same bird of prey, and you are the food!
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
This makes no sense. Your argument that makes a distinction somehow between "being American" and "being a U.S. citizen" is simply semantics. Additionally, the idea that the U.S. Constitution does not apply to those citizens is asinine at best. That same argument would mean that no laws of that land would apply to you either because "you didn't sign it"; that isn't how any of this works. I advise that you start taking whatever meds you should be; the tin foil hat is not a good look.
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SPC Deon Holmes
SGT Joseph Gunderson - Yeah, okay keep telling yourself it's semantics. I've had this discussion with your type before and your attempt to argue with your 3rd grade education will not change the truths. But I'm sure (if you haven't done so already) you will be looking for that American on all our documents. Unfortunately your type don't like to or know how to read none the less understand, so you resort to little emotional bitch arguments and name calling. Have a "NICE" day.
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Short answer we don't. I dislike Trump and his constant lying; however, we should not let him divide us. Go vote next election.
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CPL Christopher Adamczyk
SGT Joseph Gunderson who is going to pay for the wall? Not Mexico. He lied about bring coal back, he lied about his ties to Russia, he lied about not knowing his temp Attorney General, he lied, lied about the size of the crowd when he was sworn in. How about constantly picking Putin over ALL his intelligence agencies (I know not a lie) lied about his Affairs ( I really don't care about that one). This getting exusting:
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/08/01/president-trump-has-made-4229-false-or-misleading-claims-in-558-days/
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/08/01/president-trump-has-made-4229-false-or-misleading-claims-in-558-days/
All False statements involving Donald Trump | PolitiFact
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
CPL Christopher Adamczyk i said "of consequence".
1) because of the idiotic dems in the legislature, no one is paying for the wall at the moment
2) perhaps hasnt brought back coal but how about the growth of the job market and economy
3) ties with Russia? Either you have the inside track with the DOJ or you are simply inferring based on the same bs that every dem has. Ie nothing
4) who the hell cares about a crowd size?!?!?!
You may be one of the dumbest people I have come across on RP in a very long time... I advise that you get off the social media and start looking into things yourself instead of believing the first meme to scroll past you on your news feed.
1) because of the idiotic dems in the legislature, no one is paying for the wall at the moment
2) perhaps hasnt brought back coal but how about the growth of the job market and economy
3) ties with Russia? Either you have the inside track with the DOJ or you are simply inferring based on the same bs that every dem has. Ie nothing
4) who the hell cares about a crowd size?!?!?!
You may be one of the dumbest people I have come across on RP in a very long time... I advise that you get off the social media and start looking into things yourself instead of believing the first meme to scroll past you on your news feed.
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CPL Christopher Adamczyk
SGT Joseph Gunderson so your believes are challenged and you resort to name calling. And here i thought we were having an adult conversation. It's okay snowflake....
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SPC Deon Holmes
CPL Christopher Adamczyk - Yeah dude is a real nut case. Clearly in need of some wet feminine attention.
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Let's look at what could conceivably happen if there is a revolution. Roughly half of the population get income from local, state, and/or the federal government in the form of paychecks, pensions, social security, welfare, etc. The possibility of many of them rising up to overthrow the government is very unlikely. After all, why would they bite the hand that feeds them? There aren't enough people to support any such thing. If there was, what would it be, storm Washington DC, armed conflict, mass protests and civil unrest nationwide? Watch how quickly society and infrastructure collapses in much of the country. It would be like New Orleans after the hurricane, or Venezuela, or Somalia. Those that die early in the conflict may be the lucky ones. Where will you go to escape the looting, chaos and famine? You won't even get as far as a tank of gas. The rebels think they'll get the support of the people after they've destroyed their world? Not hardly. And who will take over? Just look back in history and see how well that worked out.
I've been disappointed with many administrations. Every few years another one comes into power and I look back at the outgoing one and think that we somehow survived, after all. I'm sure we will survive the Trump presidency, too.
I've been disappointed with many administrations. Every few years another one comes into power and I look back at the outgoing one and think that we somehow survived, after all. I'm sure we will survive the Trump presidency, too.
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"There aren't enough people to support any such thing."
I disagree: Very few of the colonialists supported rebellion against the Crown. More recently: only the Bolsheviks (very little % of the population) supported the Russian Revolution in '17. History is replete with examples of such.
I disagree: Very few of the colonialists supported rebellion against the Crown. More recently: only the Bolsheviks (very little % of the population) supported the Russian Revolution in '17. History is replete with examples of such.
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How could I forget Nazi Germany (<10%). Anyway, I think I've illustrated my point :)
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