Posted on May 8, 2015
Decades later, Vietnam veterans finally welcomed home
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Decades later, Vietnam veterans finally welcomed home. Your thoughts?
The hostile reception is still vivid for Bill Ray.
When he came home to Hobbs, N.M., his father, a World War II veteran, had arranged for him to join the local VFW post. But as Ray sat down to have a beer with his dad, an older member of the post let him know he wasn't welcome.
"He said, 'You can't be a member here.' And I said, 'Thirteen months in Vietnam, I damn sure can,'" Ray recalled. "He said: 'No. You lost the war, and you're a baby killer.'"
It was too much. Ray turned to his father, who said he wasn't finished with his beer.
"I said, 'Well, I've got three choices: I can leave with you. I can walk out of here. Or I can have the police haul me out after I knock this son of a bitch on his butt,'" said Ray, who chose to walk out.
Ray, who lives in Arlington, Texas, quickly learned not to talk about his time in Southeast Asia.
Vietnam veterans say the negative treatment intensified after the North Vietnamese launched the Tet Offensive on Jan. 31, 1968. The coordinated attack targeted more than 100 cities and towns in South Vietnam.
Though U.S. and South Vietnamese forces eventually repelled the attacks, political support for the war eroded back home. The Paris Peace Accords would be signed with North Vietnam on Jan. 27, 1973, which brought the remaining U.S. troops home. Saigon would fall to the North Vietnamese on April 30, 1975.
Like many other veterans of the unpopular war, Ray kept his emotions bottled up for years. Then, in 2005, he attended a reunion of the 39th Engineer Battalion alumni group in San Antonio.
"That was probably the best thing that ever happened to me," Ray said. "I probably pulled over five times on that drive to San Antone. I had my doubts, but once I walked in there, it was entirely different."
Ten years later, he's president of the group.
Now, an attempt is finally being made to right the wrongs inflicted on veterans.
Ray, as commander of American Legion Post 624 in Mansfield, Texas, is part of an organizing committee for the "Welcome Home 50th Anniversary Commemoration of the Vietnam War" at Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth.
It's part of a 10-year Defense Department program that includes events around the country.
"I'm hoping that there are Vietnam vets out there who haven't found their old buddies," Ray said. "I'm hoping it might open them up a little bit."
Up to 3,000 people are expected to attend Saturday's event. Base officials say it will become an annual event over the next decade.
"Our generation has benefited tremendously from Vietnam vets — greeting us at airports, supporting us with family-day events on the base," said Navy Capt. Gil Miller, the commanding officer at the air station. "You wouldn't know that by the reception they got when they got back home."
Miller said he understands how Vietnam vets felt.
His father-in-law, a Green Beret, was met with hostility when he came home, and his father, who was in the Navy but wasn't stationed in Vietnam, never forgot the way veterans were treated.
In 1969, Miller's father took a photo of a house in Norfolk, Va., that displayed a sign saying, "No sailors, no dogs on the lawn." That photo hung on the wall of the family home until his death in 1998.
"That hurt him," Miller said. "That was brutal."
But Miller said he hopes the ceremony can help heal some of those old slights, bringing the veterans the appreciation and support they didn't get when they came home.
But it may not be easy.
Andy Asberry, who lives in Johnson County, Texas, started coming out of his shell about 20 years ago.
A job was held for him at a Goodyear tire store, but his boss didn't want to hire him back and vowed to run him off. His co-workers were fellow Vietnam veterans, but he didn't know that for years.
"You just didn't talk about it," Asberry said.
To cope, Asberry camped out alone in New Mexico "30 miles from the nearest paved road." Even now, large cities and big crowds make him uncomfortable.
He found solace at a 25th Aviation Battalion reunion in the mid-'90s. He also joined VFW Post 6872 and quickly decided to become involved in the activities. He is now the post commander.
"I feel this compelling urge to make a difference," Asberry said. "It feels great."
But Asberry and a fellow Vietnam vet know that many remain hesitant to take part in Saturday's event and are likely to ask why it took so long.
James Hotopp, a member of VFW Post 6872 and an organizer of Saturday's event, said: "I think it's great, but a lot of veterans don't. They don't want to participate in it because they don't accept it. A lot of members of my VFW post still have some strong feelings."
Hotopp was a Navy machinist on a destroyer in a support role in Vietnam. He didn't see the gruesome horrors of war that many soldiers experienced. And when he came home, he got a job at General Dynamics (now Lockheed) and was surrounded by co-workers who had also been in the military.
Hotopp said attitudes began to change after the 9-11 attacks, when a wave of patriotism swept the country.
After 9-11, the public started thanking veterans for their service. For Hotopp, that has stirred complex emotions.
"When somebody thanks you for your service, I don't know how to explain it, but you can tell whether they're really sincere or whether it's just the socially acceptable thing to do," Hotopp said.
Hotopp appreciates it most when it comes from a fellow veteran.
Ray said he hopes some of the reluctant vets will show up Saturday.
"I'm hoping it's just a great turnout," Ray said. "I'm hoping that there are Vietnam vets out there who haven't found their old buddies. I'm hoping it might open them up a little bit."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/decades-later-vietnam-veterans-finally-welcomed-home/ar-BBjq4Fi
The hostile reception is still vivid for Bill Ray.
When he came home to Hobbs, N.M., his father, a World War II veteran, had arranged for him to join the local VFW post. But as Ray sat down to have a beer with his dad, an older member of the post let him know he wasn't welcome.
"He said, 'You can't be a member here.' And I said, 'Thirteen months in Vietnam, I damn sure can,'" Ray recalled. "He said: 'No. You lost the war, and you're a baby killer.'"
It was too much. Ray turned to his father, who said he wasn't finished with his beer.
"I said, 'Well, I've got three choices: I can leave with you. I can walk out of here. Or I can have the police haul me out after I knock this son of a bitch on his butt,'" said Ray, who chose to walk out.
Ray, who lives in Arlington, Texas, quickly learned not to talk about his time in Southeast Asia.
Vietnam veterans say the negative treatment intensified after the North Vietnamese launched the Tet Offensive on Jan. 31, 1968. The coordinated attack targeted more than 100 cities and towns in South Vietnam.
Though U.S. and South Vietnamese forces eventually repelled the attacks, political support for the war eroded back home. The Paris Peace Accords would be signed with North Vietnam on Jan. 27, 1973, which brought the remaining U.S. troops home. Saigon would fall to the North Vietnamese on April 30, 1975.
Like many other veterans of the unpopular war, Ray kept his emotions bottled up for years. Then, in 2005, he attended a reunion of the 39th Engineer Battalion alumni group in San Antonio.
"That was probably the best thing that ever happened to me," Ray said. "I probably pulled over five times on that drive to San Antone. I had my doubts, but once I walked in there, it was entirely different."
Ten years later, he's president of the group.
Now, an attempt is finally being made to right the wrongs inflicted on veterans.
Ray, as commander of American Legion Post 624 in Mansfield, Texas, is part of an organizing committee for the "Welcome Home 50th Anniversary Commemoration of the Vietnam War" at Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth.
It's part of a 10-year Defense Department program that includes events around the country.
"I'm hoping that there are Vietnam vets out there who haven't found their old buddies," Ray said. "I'm hoping it might open them up a little bit."
Up to 3,000 people are expected to attend Saturday's event. Base officials say it will become an annual event over the next decade.
"Our generation has benefited tremendously from Vietnam vets — greeting us at airports, supporting us with family-day events on the base," said Navy Capt. Gil Miller, the commanding officer at the air station. "You wouldn't know that by the reception they got when they got back home."
Miller said he understands how Vietnam vets felt.
His father-in-law, a Green Beret, was met with hostility when he came home, and his father, who was in the Navy but wasn't stationed in Vietnam, never forgot the way veterans were treated.
In 1969, Miller's father took a photo of a house in Norfolk, Va., that displayed a sign saying, "No sailors, no dogs on the lawn." That photo hung on the wall of the family home until his death in 1998.
"That hurt him," Miller said. "That was brutal."
But Miller said he hopes the ceremony can help heal some of those old slights, bringing the veterans the appreciation and support they didn't get when they came home.
But it may not be easy.
Andy Asberry, who lives in Johnson County, Texas, started coming out of his shell about 20 years ago.
A job was held for him at a Goodyear tire store, but his boss didn't want to hire him back and vowed to run him off. His co-workers were fellow Vietnam veterans, but he didn't know that for years.
"You just didn't talk about it," Asberry said.
To cope, Asberry camped out alone in New Mexico "30 miles from the nearest paved road." Even now, large cities and big crowds make him uncomfortable.
He found solace at a 25th Aviation Battalion reunion in the mid-'90s. He also joined VFW Post 6872 and quickly decided to become involved in the activities. He is now the post commander.
"I feel this compelling urge to make a difference," Asberry said. "It feels great."
But Asberry and a fellow Vietnam vet know that many remain hesitant to take part in Saturday's event and are likely to ask why it took so long.
James Hotopp, a member of VFW Post 6872 and an organizer of Saturday's event, said: "I think it's great, but a lot of veterans don't. They don't want to participate in it because they don't accept it. A lot of members of my VFW post still have some strong feelings."
Hotopp was a Navy machinist on a destroyer in a support role in Vietnam. He didn't see the gruesome horrors of war that many soldiers experienced. And when he came home, he got a job at General Dynamics (now Lockheed) and was surrounded by co-workers who had also been in the military.
Hotopp said attitudes began to change after the 9-11 attacks, when a wave of patriotism swept the country.
After 9-11, the public started thanking veterans for their service. For Hotopp, that has stirred complex emotions.
"When somebody thanks you for your service, I don't know how to explain it, but you can tell whether they're really sincere or whether it's just the socially acceptable thing to do," Hotopp said.
Hotopp appreciates it most when it comes from a fellow veteran.
Ray said he hopes some of the reluctant vets will show up Saturday.
"I'm hoping it's just a great turnout," Ray said. "I'm hoping that there are Vietnam vets out there who haven't found their old buddies. I'm hoping it might open them up a little bit."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/decades-later-vietnam-veterans-finally-welcomed-home/ar-BBjq4Fi
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Posted 11 y ago
It took over forty years before anyone ever Welcomed me Home. When I returned back to the World in August of 1970, I was met at LAX airport by War Demonstrators and they treated me with cold shoulders, like I was a Criminal. They called me names and I was spit on by a female who called me a "baby killer." I wanted to deck her but I just kept walking. You know, the Marine Corps trained me to do many things, most of all was how to survive. But they never prepared me for what and how I was going to be treated when I finally came back to the States. It really sucked the big one! WTF-over!
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CPT Dean Strong
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I went in the Navy in 1975 (post-Vietnam). It is hard to explain to the kids today the way the military was treated back then. They can't believe we weren't allowed to wear our uniforms off base, because it was dangerous. I'm just happy the kids are being treated better today.
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Cpl Santiago Valentin
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That shame belongs to the nation, and those individuals who protesting, not to the Marine who did his job, welcome home brother, welcome home!
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I was never welcomed home officially. Only retired RVN vets say thanks for your service. We were the willing to do the bidding of the nation. But were only forgotten in the end. I still love this Nation my Country. I only hope is that it become a Nation of greatness again. I too have felt the sting of a Korean Vet saying we lost the war we were drug addicts that didn't fight the North.
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As a teenager I disagreed with the war in Vietnam, I was so naive that I couldnt counsel the taking of another life for ANY reason...but I never turned on the troops who had the guts to go over there...later as I matured, I decided that I needed to give back to my country for all that it had given me and for those who never came back from places like Vietnam...To this day I welcome them home heartily. I have rescued many Vietnam Vets from homelessness, which is difficult because they have been on the streets for so long.
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PO2 David Allender
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Thank you Major DeStefano for your caring for the Nam Vets. Many just can not cope with life after Nam. Done too much, seen too much. A friend of mine had served as a Special forces in the highlands. Said GOD will never forgive him for what he had done. I have run across many others that felt the same way. My prayer is for all who served in combat to someday to be able to forget the tragedy that they have endured.
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad Sgt David G Duchesneau SFC Rollie Hubbard @sfcwilliam Farrell SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. Cpl Dennis F. @et all, I have responded to this question before on RP. I was in Nam in 1966-1967. When we arrived at Oakland Army Base, we were warned by our officers that protesters were waiting for us on the Tarmac to protest us being in Nam and they may spit at us and call us names. I had no idea what they were talking about. Sure enough they were there and they called us a lot of names and spit at us. I was not spit on, but only because we were running off the C-141, down the ramp, and formed up. I didn't realize how serious, what they did, was. I arrived at Houston Airport and was walking towards the baggage area when a man stopped me and asked me if I was coming home from Vietnam. I replied, proudly, Yes Sir. He told me I ought to be ashamed of myself. I was stunned and all I could come up with was to tell him to get out of my face before I killed him. Nobody was waiting on me. I took a cab home to an empty house and had to sit outside until my parents came home from work. They were excited to see me. I lived there a few months and was never asked anything about my tour. In fact, I asked my mom if she still had the letters I sent to them. She told me, no, she had thrown them away. When I asked her why, she said, well I read them and didn't think about keeping them. I went into my shell and stayed that way until 2000, when I had a breakdown at work. I started going to the VA in 2001. I was in the documentary " In The Shadow Of The Blade" and was reunited with one of seven injured 5/7th Cav soldiers we picked up one night in An Loa Valley. He had been shot nine times. He was paralyzed from the waist down. We were reunited and that began my reason to want to live. We stayed in touch until November 2012, when he died. All that crap from coming home to reuniting with him, made it all worth it. If you want to see the documentary go to In the shadow of the blade.com Thank all of you Nam vets and Welcome Home Brothers. It's been a long road but we made it. Thank all of you for your camaraderie to us Nam vets and thank you for your service. Keith Bodine
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I am going to say that any welcome for my personal heroes is awesome. I love those guys. My Dad did his tour there and these troops unlike us did not for the majority of them volunteer to go. They just went. They did a job that they really did not want to do and they did it with distinction and honor. A few hiccups along the way? What conflict has not had those, I don't care they are my heroes and every time I see one I will go out of my way to thank them. They deserve it, they were robbed of the honor they deserve back then when they were still kids. Coming home from somewhere they didn't want to be, doing things they didn't want to talk about, things that ordinary people would NEVER understand and to what? Ignorant people who spit on them, who called them names, who ignored them! It infuriates me, I love these guys. They should be given their OWN day, a day where WE who get thanks regularly stop and thank THEM, I mean BESIDES when we see them. A day when we have parades for them. I am not talking about lumping them in with all of the rest of the vets that get thanked on a regular basis (WWI, WWII, Korea, Todays) I am talking VIETNAM VETS DAY. My personal opinion and until then I guess I will settle with just thanking them when I see them.
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SFC (Join to see) , God bless you and your dad. If he's still with you, you tell him I said thank you for serving in Nam, I'm glad he made it, and Welcome Home Brother.
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