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LTC Stephen F.
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Dark Age Europeans fought back the Muslim hordes with the force of arms and prayer to the true God who is both transcendent and immanent in our lives. The Muslims asked their transcendent god for victory and were defeated soundly.
On October 10, 732 the Battle of Tours was fought between forces under the Frankish leader Charles Martel and a massive invading Islamic army led by Emir Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi Abd al Rahman, near the city of Tours, France.
The Muslims who have drunk the Kool-Aid that drives Wahhabi doctrine zealots will only be defeated by the force of Arms including but not limited to: Abu Sayyaf in the Philippines; Al-Qaeda; Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) in Yemen; Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) in Algeria's Mediterranean coast to the Sahel region that includes Mali, Mauritania, and Niger; Al-Qaeda of South Asia in Pakistan; al-Nusra Front in Syria: al-Shabab in Somalia and Kenya; Ansar al-Islam in Iraq; ; Boko Haram in Northern Nigeria; Hamas in the Palestinian Territories; Hezbollah in Lebanon; Houthi in Yemen; Islamic State (IS) in Iraq and Syria; Jemaah Islamiyah in Indonesia; Khorasan Group in Syria; Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Lashkar-e-Taibain Pakistan; Moro Islamic Liberation Front in the Philippines; Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and North Africa; the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) in the Palestinian Territories; and the Muslim Seleka rebels in the Central African Republic.
Other non radicalized Muslims who live in nations where their percentages are less than 10% of the population can be dealt with through education, communication including healthy and respective debate.
Prayer to the eternally living God helps us. Christians are taught to pray for our enemies. Are most crucial battle are not with flesh and blood; but, are fought against our enemies conducting spiritual warfare. WE have been given teh armor of God and thankfully God fights on our behalf.
CPT L S, GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad, SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL, CMSgt Mark Schubert, SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas , SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4", SGT Forrest Stewart, SGT Robert Hawks, SGT (Join to see)
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LTC Stephen F.
LTC Stephen F.
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SSG John Thornton - The God of the Christians is both transcendent [span of control includes every molecule in existence] and imminent [has a personal relationship with each of His own]. The Bible recounts how God punished His chosen people because they rebelled against Him - sending foreign armies such as the Assyrians, Medes, Persians, etc. to destroy many of the Jews for a time. He used Alexander the Great to spread Greek through much of the known Eurasian world and then used the Romans to both stabilize the region and punish the Jews who were rebelling against Him.
The god of the Muslims as explained in the Koran and hadith [sayings of Mohammed] is transcendent [but not imminent which is why Muslims follow the 5 pillars of their faith but have no idea how their god views their efforts or standing] and provides directives to his followers. The Muslims understand that they are to conquer, subjugate and deceive others about their intentions when they are in the minority.
God allows evil to exist and to run its course until He has accomplished His purposes. We know what He has done that has been recorded in the Bible and why when He explained it. One reason He uses evil is to drive His own back to Him.
There is nothing really Holy about Europe or inherently evil about the Middle East. There are Christian believers in the Assyrian church of Syria and the church in Iraq, church in Turkey and the church in Armenia, who have maintained the faith since the 1st century despite periodic assaults from Romans, Muslims, Crusaders, Turks, ISIS, etc. As Christians we are taught to love our enemies and be willing to die for our faith.
Muslims are taught to kill for their faith and the Wahhabi doctrine places high honor on those who kill infidels while dying.
I have been a Christian for almost 28 years, God has a personal relationship with me and directs me periodically to do things I would not have done otherwise. I have learned when I listen to Him and follow His lead I have less pain than when I ignore His directions.
Gentlemen what are your thoughts on this; MAJ (Join to see), CH (MAJ) William Beaver, SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas, CMSgt Mark Schubert, SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4", SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA, SGT Randal Groover, SGT Forrest Stewart
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SGT Forrest Stewart
SGT Forrest Stewart
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Amen!
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SGT Forrest Stewart
SGT Forrest Stewart
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LTC Stephen F. - I wholeheartedly agree.
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CMSgt Mark Schubert
CMSgt Mark Schubert
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Sir, Excellent writing LTC Stephen F. both in your response and follow-up posts, Sir! Amen! I like reading your posts!
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CPT Ahmed Faried
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A few points to be made:

1) The pershmerga consists of both men and women. So if your image showed Kurdish men fleeing then it'd be more apt
2) The Kurds are also Muslim. So you have the good muslims fighting the psychopaths of Daesh aka ISIS
3) Not much "islamization" going on when ISIS is geographically limited to two countries and numbers only 25000 to 40000 (core fighters)
4) The population that ISIS lives among are terrified but with no real other options they "go along to get along"
5) The Iraqi Army outnumbers ISIS but their fighting spirit is atrocious. Any real engagement they have with ISIS meets defeat unless supported by US and other allies
6) We recently welcomed Turkey (NATO member and muslim nation) into this war against ISIS and guess who they chose to settle scores with? The Kurds. So we are weakening the only force capable of halting ISIS' advance and in so doing potentially making enemies of the Kurds who are the most pro-American group in all the Middle-East with their favorability ranking of America greater than even Israel or Jordan
7) Even Iran is fighting against Daesh, so this idea of Islamization is just fear-mongering.

My solution:

Give the Kurds the materiel to fight and advance against ISIS. God knows unlike the Iraqi Army they won't turn tail when bullets start flying.
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Well spoken Sir. Thanks for your response!
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COL Ted Mc
COL Ted Mc
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CPT Ahmed Faried - Captain; If the Kurds would be prepared to perpetually forswear any claim to any territory which is within the current boundaries of Turkey, then the Turks would be one heck of a lot more likely to provide them with effective assistance. As long as the PPK continues to attack the Turkish government then the Turks aren't likely to be overly keen on assisting the Kurds establish themselves (either as a part of a viable state or as their own viable state).

If the Turks would agree to provide "relocation assistance" to any Kurds who wished to leave the current territory of Turkey voluntarily, then I suspect that the Kurds MIGHT be willing to make some concessions in their claims to land that they have never actually held title to.
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CPT Ahmed Faried
CPT Ahmed Faried
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COL Ted Mc - If I was a Kurdish leader Sir I'd look at the long game. Sign whatever papers Ankara would have me sign ( making sure there is enough wiggle room to make it non-binding). Consolidate and strengthen gains in Iraq and maybe Syria. Develop infrastructure and economy. Get the world to acknowledge our goals for a state then once we are in a position of strength, pivot once again to Turkey.
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COL Ted Mc
COL Ted Mc
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CPT Ahmed Faried - Captain; The Kurds always take the long view. That's why they have been trying to establish their own "country" for over 2,000 years.

Unfortunately, once they have "signed off" on their claims to any portion of Turkey they will be in an extremely untenable position for getting it back.

Especially if the Turks and Kurds move all the Kurds out of it - which is going to be a non-negotiable term of any such agreement.
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1SG (Join to see),
It blows my mind that there are so many people still blind to what is happening
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