Posted on Dec 11, 2019
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Seriously I wanna know. Mainly from you senior leadership and your mentality when it comes to this specific headgear, or even as to why it's frowned upon in the field when it's clearly authorized to be worn in the field.

Also if you are just going to bash me or make smart ass remarks because I'm asking this question, then don't even leave a comment. Thanks
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The best answer is that wearing it makes too much sense. The actual answer is that soldiers do not wear it correctly. They want to shape and form it to look like some Australian sergeants major. So instead of constantly correcting soldiers, leaders just decided to not even let anyone wear them. Pretty sad but that's the truth.
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Paul Langtry
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How precisely does an Australian Warrant Officer Class One or Warrant Class Two ( only officers refer to them as RSM or CSM but never Sergeant Major - thats an English Officer thing) wear a "bush hat" (we dont call them boonie hats).
The bush hat was first adopted by the Australian Army during the Malayan Emergency. It was popular with the British Army there. In 1962 when Australian Army Warrant Officers and Officers deployed to South Vietnam as part of the Australian Army Training Team Vietham (AATTV) they took the Bush Hat with them. Unlike Americans, Australian soldiers wore them everywhere. In the field, on patrol, in the rear areas (helmets were worn in defensive positions). Many AATTV worked with US Special Forces and some even adopted Green Berets (the Beret of the Royal Australian Regiment is Rifle Green to this day) but the bush hat became ubiquitous with the Australian Soldier. It was more common to see an Australian soldier in Vietnam in a bush hat than a Slouch Hat (the traditional ceremonial hat of the Australian Army).
I guess American soldiers saw Australians patrolling slowly through jungle and thought they looked cool. The American boonie hat has a straighter broader brim than the bush hat. The brim of the bush hat is shorter and sloped down, it is designed to have an irregular shape because it promotes better camouflage.
The cool way to wear the bush hat when I was a youung digger was to have the top flat and folded down into the rim. Of course that was fine in barracks but it never stayed that way "out bush" when it was used for any and everything.
Happy to answer any further questions, but I still want to know how an Australian Sergeant Major wears a bush hat?
The colour photo is of an RSM of the Army (they very seldom wear bush hats) The black and white photo is of Warrant Officer Class 1 Wally Thompson who was the RSM of the the 4 Bn Royal Australian Regiment in Vietnam in 1972. He is seated with his American counterpart SGM Carruthers of the 7th Air Cav Regt.
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SGT Jeff Hall
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SGT Martha Cain - You're spelling color like a Brit. We fought a war so that we did have to do that.
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Paul Langtry
Paul Langtry
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SGT Jeff Hall - Hi Jeff, I'm Australian (have a look at my profile to see why I am here) that's how colour is spelt. Its only in the USA that the word is spelt without the "u" in it. Avagoodone mate take care and stay safe :)
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SPC Wesley Griffin
SPC Wesley Griffin
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I never encountered anyone wearing their boonie hat "Australian" style. I would see guys that somehow flattened the brims and put cardboard into the tops for some reason: style perhaps? At least that's what I saw in Vietnam in 1971.
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Sr NCOs fight things like boonie caps because they are busybodies and need something to do.
I am a bit of a contrarian (no surprise, for those who know me).
One AT, I went the other way and ordered that the boonie cap was part of the uniform of the day. The Guard people in the contonement area went nuts, trying to talk about there was a Guard regulation (don't care, we're USAR... and it wasn't true) or a post commander edict (there wasn't) and who authorized it (this guy, with more stripes than you high-speed).
All of the kerfuffle was a lot of fun, frankly. And my troops loved it, especially when it was time for chow. "Refer all questions to the 1SG" was the order of the day, and very few would have the balls to roll up and question me.
Marys.
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CW4 William Kessinger
CW4 William Kessinger
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Having more time in the USAR then AUS I agree with just doing it to piss someone off was a good reason.
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SPC Richard Kucken
SPC Richard Kucken
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Whoah! Awesome Top!
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What's this "you senior leadership" statement? Most senior leadership outside of CSMs don't care. It's usually CSMs who have the issue and that's because they have to have some kind of pet peeve. A 1SG once jokingly said that at the SGM Academy they all get assigned a pet peeve.
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Retired Infantry BN CSM here that never cared about boonies on deployment and in the field. It was the leadership above me who hated boonies. Now the "marshmallow suit" I told my Soldiers they couldn't wear it until it was below zero.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
MAJ Ronnie Reams
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SGT (Join to see) - Sometime after I retired Platoon Sergeants were done away with, no more PSGs, all SFCs now.
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PO1 Patrick Brogan
PO1 Patrick Brogan
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I didn't know Spiderman outfits could be so, ahem, "revealing". :-)
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SFC Leon Amer
SFC Leon Amer
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PO1 Patrick Brogan - a concealed carrier with a "printing" problem?
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