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LTC Marc King
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Did you ever stop to think that is a direct result of the DoD's policy to purchase from the low bidder. The concept of having to be the low bidder drives companies to look for any means available to try and make some profit on a system that squeezes the crap out of contractors. I don't agree with the end result that this unfortunate incident rendered, but I do understand how they got there. There was a period of time when soldier safety equipment was purchased using "best value" to determine what contractor was selected to make body armor and helmets... allowing a fair profit along with a well made product; but with the end of the war, sequestration, reduced procurements, and a general downturn in business the government returned to their tried and true method for insuring contractors suffered... giving it a new name "Lowest Price Technically Acceptable" (LPTA)... now that can produce some real crap-olla! Unless of course you want to acquire soldier safety equipment using the ever popular "Reverse Auction" a process by which you lower the price of what you are offering until you are the absolute low bidder and voila... you win. (Remember the old adage "You get what you pay for".) Only by the time you get there the award price might be less then cost of the materials and labor to make the item ... so you begin to look for alternatives and there is UNICOR. Let me also point out that for those of you who have not had the opportunity to be a DoD contractor the word "Profit" is not a 4 letter word. It is actually possible for the DoD to get sound reliable equipment from its contractors as long as they don't try to squeeze their cohunes... to hard and for a company to make a profit without having to resort to the likes of UNICOR but it is a lesson that the government seems to forget. I should also point out that "...numerous defects including “serious ballistic failures,” according to a new Defense Department Office of Inspector General report." The failures referenced here were all on the test range and not in the field. What has been selectively left out is that while a recall for the helmets was conducted there were not cases of a failure or injury reported from the field. The recall was done based on an abundance of safety--as it should have been.
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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Great response and information LTC Marc King. Thank you.
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LTC Marc King
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Thanks Sgt. I knew you would get it!
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The other problem arises with "preferred vendor". I'm sure the individuals within UNICOR "prison industries" saw $$$$$ when they looked into this. They are a preferred vendor as well, meaning even if they cost more than some of other bidders on the list, they get the go-ahead automatically. GSA has to go with them. I've witnessed this many times. I have busted my hump getting multiple bids trying to get the best deal for my money and when it goes to contracting they let the contract for 50, 60, and upto 90% more than any of the bids I collected. When asked their answer is "We have to go with the preferred vendor/contract holder". I've even gone as far as turning them in for fraud, waste, and abuse only to be told they're doing it the right way.
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LTC Marc King
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SFC (Join to see) - Cant argue there. The Federal Acquisition Regulation / FAR Part 15 requires a contracting office to seek a solution from Federal Prison Systems (UNICOR) before seek anything else and that is a stone cold fact. A good KO will find a way around it for sure.
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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CPO Steelworker
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They recalled these in 2010, I was in Iraq on a JTF and we had to report helmet and vest stock numbers and in Kuwait before everyone left on R & R had to turn in VEST with plates and Helmet and they replaced the plates and checked the helmets. This sucks it happen but usually they get on top of when it does. I know of at least three recalls from 2006- 2012. My last deployment 2012 Afghanistan we had to check our plates.
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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That's not good CPO (Join to see). I didn't realize this went back six years. Are the prisoners still making them?
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CPO Steelworker
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I don't know I think so. I think it's in the news now because the IG did it's final report. Keith we have recalls all the time and then you have guy's buying their own stuff and you have to trust that it is Mil Spec. The eye protection is the big one they sell what we call foakleys, the fake Oakley's they sell in country and guys buy them. In Iraq they had non mil spec cargo belts with the tie off hooks you used for the HELOS and other things and they sent a memo out letting our guy's know that you could only wear the issued belts.
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That's interesting. My how the war times have changed.
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