Posted on Nov 7, 2016
Focus group reflects nation's dark mood ahead of Election Day
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The three major takeaways from this panel:
There’s no self-censoring. So we now say exactly what we feel. And, goddamn it, you’re gonna listen to me. And that’s really what it is right now. You’re gonna listen to me. I’m not gonna learn from you. You’re gonna listen to me.
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My biggest fear is that these candidates aren’t a mistake. That the American people have elected the future of America, what we aspire to be and what we are deep down inside.
Lastly with regard to the people and all media:
They’ve now dismissed all of you for your biases, for your focus on entertainment, for this battle for ratings and profitability rather than information and knowledge. And they simply now collect information to affirm themselves rather than to inform themselves.
I know it will be way too easy for many of you to dismiss this as "liberal drivel" but keep in mind these things: This is a focus group of Trump and Clinton supporters as well as people still undecided being conducted by Frank Luntz, Republican pollster and public opinion analyst.
There’s no self-censoring. So we now say exactly what we feel. And, goddamn it, you’re gonna listen to me. And that’s really what it is right now. You’re gonna listen to me. I’m not gonna learn from you. You’re gonna listen to me.
And:
My biggest fear is that these candidates aren’t a mistake. That the American people have elected the future of America, what we aspire to be and what we are deep down inside.
Lastly with regard to the people and all media:
They’ve now dismissed all of you for your biases, for your focus on entertainment, for this battle for ratings and profitability rather than information and knowledge. And they simply now collect information to affirm themselves rather than to inform themselves.
I know it will be way too easy for many of you to dismiss this as "liberal drivel" but keep in mind these things: This is a focus group of Trump and Clinton supporters as well as people still undecided being conducted by Frank Luntz, Republican pollster and public opinion analyst.
Focus group reflects nation's dark mood ahead of Election Day
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Your worry regarding whether these candidates are NOT a mistake, is mine too. Have we become so self-centered, uneducated by history, and without a moral center that whoever shouts loudest wins? Whoever hurls the most effective slurs wins? I hope we return to a moral center and keep the fringes on both ends small. I hope we return to studying the choices, centering balances, and decisions made on a hot summer in Philadelphia in 1787.
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SSG Michael Hartsfield
But Col Joseph Lenertz that's what a lot of Americans want. I have long said that many Americans want politics to mirror our entertaiment and when done right, politics isn't entertaining but BORING. Nevertheless, many of us chose our politicians that mirror what we see on any reality show. Gotta have a hero. Gotta have a villain. Gotta have someone to cheer. Must have someone to boo.
A lot of Americans want that person that says whatever he/she wants without worrying about the consequences. A lot of Americans don't want a leader that "speaks softly but carries a big stick" but one that's bombastic and rides around in an Abrams. We as Americans don't want a diplomat. We want a champion, a conquering hero. We as Americans scoff at facts and evidence because now you can (pay) find anyone that's an "expert" to counter what anyone thinks about everything.
IMHO, it all boils down to being educated in all things, not just those things one personally supports or believes. IMHO, we need to stop voting emotionally but start looking at our candidates from the lens of objectivity instead of personality. We should all remember that a true leader doesn't make his/her decisions based on what's trending or the social outrage of the week and we should understand that political solutions don't happen in the span of an episode of "Survivor."
A lot of Americans want that person that says whatever he/she wants without worrying about the consequences. A lot of Americans don't want a leader that "speaks softly but carries a big stick" but one that's bombastic and rides around in an Abrams. We as Americans don't want a diplomat. We want a champion, a conquering hero. We as Americans scoff at facts and evidence because now you can (pay) find anyone that's an "expert" to counter what anyone thinks about everything.
IMHO, it all boils down to being educated in all things, not just those things one personally supports or believes. IMHO, we need to stop voting emotionally but start looking at our candidates from the lens of objectivity instead of personality. We should all remember that a true leader doesn't make his/her decisions based on what's trending or the social outrage of the week and we should understand that political solutions don't happen in the span of an episode of "Survivor."
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Sir,
There is no moral center. They killed religion in our Country. What moral center can we have when we can't agree the Ten Commandments are good rules? The bottom line here is we have a movement to try to change our form of government and another movement to try to save the Republic.
There is no moral center. They killed religion in our Country. What moral center can we have when we can't agree the Ten Commandments are good rules? The bottom line here is we have a movement to try to change our form of government and another movement to try to save the Republic.
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Col Joseph Lenertz
SFC (Join to see) - Thanks. It exists. Very few are "there." Some strive to get as close to it as possible, but too many are running headlong away from it, pretending it doesn't have value for humanity. But the moral center exists.
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What you said about people collecting information to affirm themselves rather than inform themselves is very true and it goes for both conservatives and liberals alike. Unfotunately there seems to be no room left in this country for middle of the road people and I am sad about that.
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The breaking point came in the 2000 election when Gore, on Bill Clintons advise, would not concede the election, and then Clinton's staff trashed the White House. that's the year when no middle ground began.
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I would make two points. First it takes leadership in both congress and the Whitehouse to want to compromise. Right now you have a group of people who are all or nothing winner take all types. By electing moderates and those who are willing to work with the other side you will get leadership that wants to work with the other side. But you need that leadership. Look at somewhat recent history, such as President Reagan and Speaker O'Neill. While they disagree on everything they also worked together and compromised.
Second, SFC Walko, I agree a bit with what you say but I would add that that is only for this round of not working together. This has happened many times in the past and eventually good leadership came into office and righted the ship.
As a side note, a bit of interesting sociology, in most middle eastern cultures there is this look at history. You see it from the efforts on one group to exact revenge on another group for something they did in the past. Same thing is happening right now in the U.S. Democrats wronged republicans so we are not gonna put your person in the is office. Republicans, wronged democrats so you don't get this deal. so on and son on. Looks just like Shiites and Sunnis. Instead of being the shining example of tolerance, compassion, compromise, working together, and democracy, we have become more like those we fear the most.
Second, SFC Walko, I agree a bit with what you say but I would add that that is only for this round of not working together. This has happened many times in the past and eventually good leadership came into office and righted the ship.
As a side note, a bit of interesting sociology, in most middle eastern cultures there is this look at history. You see it from the efforts on one group to exact revenge on another group for something they did in the past. Same thing is happening right now in the U.S. Democrats wronged republicans so we are not gonna put your person in the is office. Republicans, wronged democrats so you don't get this deal. so on and son on. Looks just like Shiites and Sunnis. Instead of being the shining example of tolerance, compassion, compromise, working together, and democracy, we have become more like those we fear the most.
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CDR (Join to see) - this is why they should not go after Hillary anymore about the email stuff. Just let it go. Be gracious winners. Going after her will be horrible for the country.
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