Police departments distance themselves from Trump's remarks

CW2 Brad Stockham - Nice blocking there. That's how you get people to see your side - block them. Did you read the first post in this thread? The OP also says "it's funny." It's a fucking expression. Grow up and just be a little more mature about things when people disagree with you.

I never said my experience as a SARC "trumps" anyone's experience. You asked me if I knew what it was like to look at someone who was just raped. Yes I HAVE! I have had to be the one to bear the bad news that their perpetrator got away with it. No you are a horrible judge of character and not all cops are good judge of character. Really? Okay so when I got assaulted by my ex the first time and I reported it the female cop told me "Oh he'll be in jail by the weekend." Nope he sure wasn't because when they talked to him he completely lied about what happened. So it turned into he said/she said. There wasn't physical evidence because I waited a day to report and it happened in a hotel. So the hotel room got cleaned up. I know my fault for not reporting it at the hotel but I was fucking scared and I left him there after he passed out and went to my dad's. I went somewhere I knew was safe. So then I ask the female officer about what's going on and she starts to dodge me. THEN my ex tells me how he's meeting her off duty for lunch and she tells him everything I tell her. So I told victim witness and then I talked to her chief or captain or whoever was her boss. He then assigned a new detective to the case. So obviously all cops are NOT a good judge of character because my ex told me she was telling him "Oh I don't think you could have done this, you're too nice." And she was like in her 50s and had been a cop well over 20 years yet my ex played her like a fiddle. So you stop pretending you know everything and you're the SME over other people. You do know more than I do I'm sure. But you asked a question I answered it. So don't discount my experience with rape and sexual assault victims. I never discounted yours. I don't have to sit here and make a brag sheet about something that doesn't fucking affect me. If you want to brag on a social media site about what an awesome cop you are go ahead. I don't care. But I do know cops and for you to say I don't is ridiculous.

Where did I disrespect your background? I didn't. You disrespected me and I won't sit back and take it. Go ahead and block me all you want. I don't care. Loud mouth? Give me a fucking break. I could school you on some other topics but this is not the right forum to do so and you don't have the clearance for me to do it. I never told you "how it really is" I told you what the fucking group is putting out about their recruiting. That's it. So if you want to sit there and be big tough macho guy go ahead. I don't care. I've dealt with plenty of guys like you in my life. No skin off my back. Have a lovely day!

Yeah, not trying to get you to see my side anymore. That is clearly not possible with people who don't like facts, unless they agree with their viewpoints. Once you decided you were automatically the smartest person in the room, it was pretty easy to figure that out.

By the way, I am obviously passionate about such topics because I live this every day. You don't. And just so its clear SFC Fuerhoff, you actually did disrespect me, you might want to re-read your initial comments here and in other posts. And, I blocked you only after you decided to talk trash, and after you down-voted me for calling you out on something you said (expression or not).

That, and I also really don't care to read anymore of your leftist rants, here or in any other topics (obviously the block feature only prevents you from tagging me--too bad). Of course, apparently blocking you just to end this nonsense is also somehow offensive to you.

Oh well, I give you permission to go cry about it. With that, you have a lovely day as well! Hopefully I never have to meet you in person.

Brad, I called you a snowflake because you are acting like a snowflake, for the reasons I stated. Of course, you escalate it by insinuating that I'm a liar? Son, all you have to do is check with TCOLE, where you can learn that I have a master peace officer certification, that I hold classroom, firearms and SFST instructor certificates, and so on. Do you want a copy of my license? Give me an email and I'll send it to you. The same with my state bar card.

Look, if you don't have the cajones to deal with the can of worms you opened, I would suggest not opening the can by making comments about people with twice the experience as you not knowing what they are talking about. This isn't the PoliceOne echo chamber where everyone sits in a circle singing the same camp song. This is RallyPoint where people say what they think, and it's not designed to make sure your feelings aren't hurt.

Wow. Trust me, you didn't hurt my feelings. And as the person that is clearly following me around in multiple posts after being blocked (you), clearly you are the one who is upset and/or had their feelings hurt.

Now I understand why you seem to have so many people that don't like you on RP. Can't let anything go can you? What's the point of even talking with you anyway? I have yet see you concede to anyone's viewpoints that don't agree with your own (and I am not speaking of just me). Whats worse, I have seen you talk trash about people's religions as well on several occasions, making comments insinuating that anyone who believes in God is an idiot. When I tried to politely tell you that was not appropriate, your response was basically to say "well I have been mistreated in the past for being an atheist, so I have the right to say this." So yeah, you just have a blank check to say whatever the hell you want. Makes sense. You've got some serious problems upstairs. Since you are a lawyer, maybe you can afford to hire a psychiatrist?

My guess is, you love to just find some politically charged topic on RP, pop in, and talk some trash. Never mind being civil. If anyone disagrees and/or blocks you, you follow them around and keep hassling them. And on the Internet no less... I was civil with you before, but after your comments here, I can see your true colors. I get it old man, you want to stay relevant. Sorry, you aren't.

And don't get it twisted, I am not denying your experience, nor am I saying I have more experience than you. I am saying your idiotic comments invalidates it and make you look like a joke. Here's the bottom line: I don't care if you were the goddamn Chief of Police of Tokyo. When you attack my experience, my character, and further make comments stating I don't know what its like to lose officers in the line-of-duty, you get NO RESPECT from me. The same goes for anyone making such asinine comments. As far as I am concerned, you are just another piece of trash liberal nutcase running around crying about the fact that Donald Trump is President. Boo hoo. Cry me a river.

He is indeed shining a bright light on the mentally defective.

Yup, they are coming out of the dark like roaches, spittle flying and He is not my President tantrums. I am sure it will eventually get old but for now I hope he keeps it up. We have had decades of business as usual with the people getting screwed at every turn by both parties. Some folks actual believe both parties actually give a shit about those who are their members.

CW3 (Join to see) - I wore a badge for over 20 years, and encouraging police officers to break the law and mistreat suspects is counter-productive. First, Trump doesn't have their back, he's not going to pardon an officer for a federal civil rights violation, and he has no authority to stop a state-level criminal prosecution of an officer.

This isn't about arresting murderers, this is about playing to the public and pretending that he knows what is involved in good police work. You wear a badge, and you know as well as I do that if you abuse a suspect, you're giving the court a reason to dismiss charges and release him. Abusing suspects doesn't do anything but hurt law enforcement efforts.

Capt Gregory Prickett - With all due respect sir, you are obviously not a cop anymore, but I am. So this is a topic I am very passionate about.

I have been in the law enforcement field for over 16 years working for multiple agencies (12 of those wearing a badge/sworn). I can say with absolute certainty that there has never been a worse time to be a cop. With fraudulent claims/lies being made by people about police every day (almost all of them proven false but never make it to the news), constant rhetoric (usually from the left side of the political aisle and groups aligned with them) insinuating all cops are racists and/or murders, and never-ending cries (also usually from the liberal-left) to victimize criminals (even extremely violent ones and repeat offenders). President Obama and his AGs did nothing to help police in this country. NOTHING. In fact, they even fanned the flames of hatred on multiple occasions in incidents involving police, even before an investigation had taken place. In Ferguson, MO, for instance, a false narrative was created by a lying witness, but it was proven that the officer involved was just doing his job. Before an investigation even began though, both Pres. Obama and AG Holder made insinuating comments, and Holder stood with race-baiters like Al Sharpton spreading lies and only giving fuel to the criminal rioters and looters. This lie of course led to the creation of Black Lives Matter, but that is a whole other issue.

Point is, there is finally a POTUS back in the White House that *openly* supports the police in this country. That is the kind of leadership that is needed for police. Rhetoric or not, it is positive, and IT DOES have an effect on police. You can call it "playing to the public" all you want, but his open-support for law enforcement is only thing that will stop that Ferguson effect from spreading in the minds of officers. Without that, it feels like we are fighting a losing battle against criminals because there is no outward support.

Further, no one said ANYTHING about abusing a suspect. You are echoing the biased news reports and completely ignoring the issue he was speaking about. He was giving a speech, and as we all know, the current POTUS is colorful in language using hyperbole QUITE OFTEN. You may have been a cop, but you are clearly on the liberal side of this issue if you are willing to say 2+2=5 just to put an argument together.

Despite your comment, this speech was about murderers and putting them away. It was about one of the most violent gangs in history. And it was about supporting the police so we can do our damn jobs. Nothing more, nothing less. You can continue to read into it if you want, but that speech was meant for me because I am cop, not for the liberal politicians/activists who find any reason right now to attack the POTUS.

And speaking for myself and every other cop I work with, we actually liked the speech, and didn't think he was giving us a blank check to "abuse suspects" as you put it.

CW3 (Join to see) - gee, that's all well and good, but sonny, I was getting shot at on the midnight shift in the housing projects while you were still watching cartoons in your PJs. You don't even have a clue what losing officers is all about. In my second year, we buried seven officers from my department, all LOD deaths. Five were shot to death in separate instances, two more were killed in a pursuit when their squad car wrecked out. So don't even begin to tell me how bad you have it, or how officers from the past won't understand.

Hell, you don't even come close to the numbers we were losing. There were 145 officers killed in 2016, 63 by gunfire. In 2015, 141 officers lost their lives, 41 by gunfire. In 1987, when I started, 185 officers were killed, 74 being shot to death, in in 1988, 195 officers, 79 shot, and in 1989, there were 198 dead officers, with 69 by gunfire. Don't tell me how it's worse now than any time in the past, because that's BS. Do you really believe that police officers being ambushed is something new?

Second, I'm not the only one that thought that Trump was telling officers to rough up suspects. Police department after police department issued statements to distance themselves from his remarks and to reiterate that they would not tolerate excessive force by their officers. They just didn't decide to issue those statements for the hell of it. They did it because the President's statements scared them.

Finally, I'm a libertarian, not a liberal. Most liberals have idiotic ideas about social spending that we need to do away with, but most conservatives have views on individual rights that would fit in with most police states. I'm all for supporting the police, but I'm also for fixing the police, which have become too militarized, too focused on a "war on drugs" that we've been losing for 45 years, too separated from the communities where we work. We need to do everything we can to help police do their job, but we also need to hold them accountable.

Capt Gregory Prickett - Did you just call me "Sonny"? Really? I don't have a clue what losing officers is all about? So, you want make this about comparing LOD deaths or how many police officer funerals I have been to? Who in the hell do you think you are? YOU have NO IDEA who I am or how many friends I have lost in the line-of-duty *AND* in the military. Your comments are both IGNORANT, and STUPID. Based on those statements alone I would bet my pension that you do not have a damn clue on what the current status of the law enforcement community is.

FOR THE RECORD, I was talking about the INSANE rhetoric from the left and further pointing out that you (AND OTHERS) focusing on a single comment in the President's speech, missing the WHOLE point of the speech entirely, is exactly the problem with your viewpoint. Instead of addressing that, you'd rather sit there and snipe at someone who has dedicated his life to law enforcement (and yes, UNFORTUNATELY, LOST TOO MANY FRIENDS TO THIS JOB), pretending to somehow be better than me because "YOU THINK" you know more about what cops go through today than I do. How dare you. You think the police today are too militarized? That proves you have no idea what the hell is happening right now on the streets in countless cities! We are responding to a threat, criminals out to get us, many with high-powered weapons, and with ZERO support from a large part of the American public. Yet people like you would rather quote a couple limited studies (or try to compare your police experience from the 1980s) to try say you know what's best? Are you freegin kidding me? You are clearly delusional!

I'm done conversing with you. You are obviously another lost cause.