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LtCol George Carlson
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Speaking as someone who has been a combat engineer (USMC 1302) for almost 50 years, it is heartening to see this discussion among and between nearly entirely combat engineers and EOD. Yes, I am in some sense, a dinosaur, but no, my first platoon was not equipped with catapults and trebuchets! I also am, at least for my age group, pretty data/tech savvy. I will never say "never" but there are some things that this whole matter touches on that are not likely to be overcome in the near or even foreseeable future. The first thought is that most all of today's electronic marvels benefit by human input. The main reason is that programming, even programming that "learns" can only deal with what is conceived by those developing the program. Yes, it is far more complex than the "IF ... THEN" format in its simplest examples. But ultimately if that robot does not have some connection to a human who can make judgements OUTSIDE the programming, it becomes battlefield trash when confronted with a reaction not addressed in its programming. As sophisticated as the systems are in current production civilian and military aircraft, there are a multitude of examples of when pilot flying skill, initiative, and imagination do what the automated system could not. The second thought is that the "operator" be he/she directly operating or mostly observing and whether he/she is located in close proximity or half a world away is limited by the visual, aural, and tactile sensors ability to convey the battlefield. The fantastic capability of human sight in an almost 180 degree hemisphere is hard to duplicate with imaging. It can be enhanced with capabilities not possessed by humans such as thermal and electromagnetic imaging, but it still lacks some crucial abilities unique (at least for now) to human sight. Aural is even less well supported by current technology. Human hearing, again with limits that can be offset with some technology, still has unduplicated ability to determine both direction and range for many sounds. That is still beyond the ability of technology to deliver fully to a remote operator. Finally, tactile sensation is easy to transmit at the gross level -- but it unfortunately also complicates the visual! All that said, I am all for ways that keep the young Marine or soldier farther from harm's way. If cost and time are no object, most anything is possible. Reality is that both are relevant. In the mean time, everything is constrained by the ability to maintain uninterrupted communication and as Cpt Hudson points out that's just another fly in the ointment.
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Very good points, especially with regard to the limits of AI in its current state.

I think we should consider that we don't need a robot (autonomous or remotely-operated) that can perform all the duties of the Combat Engineer Soldier. We just need one more unmanned systems that can produce lanes through an obstacle that the maneuver commander can exploit. To do that, we can just look at the physical actions necessary to achieve it. Surface-laid mines defeated by sympathetic detonation, or some other such destructive effect, berms cleared by some articulated mechanism, AT ditches breached by gap-crossing equipment or perhaps the British approach of using a fascine, wire destroyed by explosives, et cetera. The systems that do these things don't even need to survive the process to be successful (with the exception of a gap-crossing system which obviously need to still be there or the gap wouldn't be crossed). And since obstacles don't move around, it should be a very doable technical project to design and develop unmanned systems that can carry this out. As far as the EW aspect, that's going to affect lots more than just unmanned breaching systems - that's going to affect everything from aviation to signals and therefore fires as well, not to mention intelligence. So, just as the Army and Marines should still be training to use the lensatic compass and map, you would still want to maintain the ability to breach by the means described in every Combat Engineer Battalion's TACSOP, but if there were an unmanned approach available for as the primary breach, that would make the most sense to me. Now, given that the breach is frequently a decisive point for the maneuver commander, the breach has to work, and therefore the systems used must demonstrate themselves to be reliable, but assuming that is achieved, I favor unmanned approaches in the future.
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CPT Larry Hudson
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Robots lacking subjective and intuitive abilities will not replace a real live soldier. Enemy already has capability to jam electronics.
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True, but if using unmanned systems were the primary breach, and using combat engineers in the breach were the alternate, that would be good.
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SFC Senior Civil Engineer/Annuitant
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I’m for anything that helps our soldiers on the line, or anywhere for that matter. Whenever I hear of Grafenwoehr or Hohenfells (which is rare) I have to smile at all the memories.
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SSG Ronald Bloodworth
SSG Ronald Bloodworth
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Grafenwoer, Hohenfels, and especially Wildflecken we’re home away from home when I was stationed in Germany throughout the 1980’s. Spent the most, and coldest times at Wildfkecken but had the best times at Hohenfels...
My Company was actually barred from Graf by the post commander there for a few years after my platoon destroyed at steel cutting bunker on the demo range there.... being assigned to the 547th Engr. Bn. was the best six years of my entire military career and I still miss those guys today...
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SFC Senior Civil Engineer/Annuitant
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I was in the 84th Engr Co, a little bastard Engineer Company supporting the 2nd ACR.
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SSG Stephen Ellis
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So was I. A great unit with a difficult mission!
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