Georgia Certifies Results; Election Official Says The 'Numbers Don't Lie'

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel We might even get to have one more. Lol.

SFC (Join to see) I doubt it. At this point we have people casting around for something, anything really, that justifies their belief that their is fraud. If GA did it that way, they would just come up with some other reason to disbelieve the results.

They have already come to their conclusion and are now looking for anything to support it. As earlier claims were debunked, they just moved on to something else. When people do that, they can always find something to justify their belief.

SPC Kevin Ford - I respectively disagree. Call out all fraud, prosecute, and convict everyone involved, regardless of if it would affect the election. Then there will be no questions. Affecting an election is a very subjective thing that can’t be proved. On the other hand, fraud can be proved.

The way I see it there are 2 kinds of fraud: People actually casting ballots illegally, and officials changing the voting rules without authorization. In the case of Georgia, I believe there was a faulty legal ruling against them that made it acceptable to only match signatures on the ballot with the envelope (anyone can see that this was just plain wrong). In the case of Pa., the Governor (Executive Branch) approved mail in voting, and then approved allowing ballots to be accepted 3 days after the election. Then other voting liberties were also taken at county levels. The mail in voting issue went to the State Supreme Court who ruled the Governor had the the authority because of the covid-19 crisis. Again, just like in Georgia, this was a faulty ruling because there was more that enough time for the Legislative Body to take action if they deemed it necessary, they didn’t deem it necessary. So basically, our Governor committed the biggest fraud of all by illegally changing the voting rules. I guess the joke in the early 1900’s is that after you stuff the ballot box, you have to sit on it to make sure no one else can get in. I guess the biggest question is: What does one do when a Governor illegally solicits and then accepts millions of illegal votes

SFC (Join to see) There are no "faulty rulings" per se. There rulings, unless overturned, are the law of the land. If you do or do not agree with them is immeterial.

In order to stop those rulings from taking effect there would have have to have been an injunction before the election. Since neither side received such an injunction it is very unlikely that any higher court will step in retroactively as there isn't any good remedies, particularly if no one can show any evidence of damage those rulings caused. For example, the signature issue. If there is no damage (i.e. fraud) that can be demonstrated then as I said, courts will be loath to intervene retroactively.

That's how our system works. People's opinions on the rulings non withstanding. The time to get an injunction was before the election and the Trump team doesn't get another bite at the apple retroactively once they see how the election goes.

SPC Kevin Ford - I have said in past comments no judge is going to rule to throw out unjust votes (not in accordance with election laws) for the appearance of them electing a president and possibly causing violence. I just finished reading a story in the Scranton Times “Judge throws out bid by Trump campaign to stop vote certification in Pennsylvania”. The article went on for almost a page about how the judge took the trump team to task shooting down claims of widespread irregularities. What is truly interesting in this almost page long article is that not once did they discuss the specifics of what the complaint and ruling were. Here is a case where the media is not reporting on the specifics of a case, and that includes Fox. The reason is obvious, they don’t want the citizens to understand the true merits of the case.

In the case of Pa., the Governor just doesn’t have the authority to change the law when the Legislature had enough time to make the changes if they wished, and decided not to change the law. The Governor actually disenfranchised my vote and millions of others by what he did. It is interesting that the Legislature didn’t put a stop to what the Governor did at the time he changed the law. The point is now: late or not late, this was an illegal activity the Governor did. It was wrong plain and simple. People understand that and no judges ruling will change that. Judges make big mistakes all the time, just like they did in the Dred Scott decision. I guess what I’m saying is people aren’t going to forget right and wrong just because a judge is afraid to render a just verdict. MHO.