Posted on Aug 12, 2022
An attempted attack on an FBI office raises concerns about violent far-right rhetoric
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Since the FBI search of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate on Monday, researchers who track extremism have sounded the alarm about an escalation of violent rhetoric from the far-right, including talk of another "civil war" and threats against federal law enforcement.
By Thursday, an attempted attack on an FBI field office in Cincinnati appeared to underscore the real danger behind those threats, particularly given a digital trail of ominous posts that were left under the name of the suspect.
The FBI said an armed man attempted to breach the building, but fled after an alarm went off and special agents responded. After a car chase, a nearly six-hour standoff, and unsuccessful attempts at negotiation, police shot and killed that suspect, according to an account from the Ohio State Highway Patrol.
Law enforcement identified the man as 42-year-old Ricky Walter Shiffer, Jr. Shiffer is a veteran of the U.S. war in Iraq. He deployed to Iraq between 2010 and 2011 during his service as an infantryman with the Florida Army National Guard, before leaving the Guard in May 2011, the Guard confirmed to NPR. Shiffer also served in the U.S. Navy from 1998 to 2003, the Navy stated. During his service, he worked as a fire control technician on the USS Columbia, a Navy submarine. News of Shiffer's military service was first reported by Military.com.
Since the FBI search of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate on Monday, researchers who track extremism have sounded the alarm about an escalation of violent rhetoric from the far-right, including talk of another "civil war" and threats against federal law enforcement.
By Thursday, an attempted attack on an FBI field office in Cincinnati appeared to underscore the real danger behind those threats, particularly given a digital trail of ominous posts that were left under the name of the suspect.
The FBI said an armed man attempted to breach the building, but fled after an alarm went off and special agents responded. After a car chase, a nearly six-hour standoff, and unsuccessful attempts at negotiation, police shot and killed that suspect, according to an account from the Ohio State Highway Patrol.
Law enforcement identified the man as 42-year-old Ricky Walter Shiffer, Jr. Shiffer is a veteran of the U.S. war in Iraq. He deployed to Iraq between 2010 and 2011 during his service as an infantryman with the Florida Army National Guard, before leaving the Guard in May 2011, the Guard confirmed to NPR. Shiffer also served in the U.S. Navy from 1998 to 2003, the Navy stated. During his service, he worked as a fire control technician on the USS Columbia, a Navy submarine. News of Shiffer's military service was first reported by Military.com.
An attempted attack on an FBI office raises concerns about violent far-right rhetoric
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and the standard retort from the right;
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MSG Thomas Currie
OK, Stan, since you don't listen well enough to fill in any of those "what about" questions
What about the left-wing riots in Portland
What about the left-wing riots and insurrection in Seattle
What about the left-wing riots in Minneapolis & St Paul
What about the left-wing riots in Louisville
What about the left-wing riots in Kenosha
What about the left-wing riots in Akron
What about the left-wing riots in dozens of other American cities that didn't even make the national news because they were overshadowed by larger riots.
None of those "what about" riots were a single nut acting alone - those riots were thousands of combined leftists and ordinary criminals working together to burn and loot dozens of American cities -- all with the support of Democrat elected officials -- all well coordinated and well financed by leftist individuals and organizations -- and none of that has ever been investigated by the FBI or prosecuted by the so-called Justice Department.
What about the left-wing riots in Portland
What about the left-wing riots and insurrection in Seattle
What about the left-wing riots in Minneapolis & St Paul
What about the left-wing riots in Louisville
What about the left-wing riots in Kenosha
What about the left-wing riots in Akron
What about the left-wing riots in dozens of other American cities that didn't even make the national news because they were overshadowed by larger riots.
None of those "what about" riots were a single nut acting alone - those riots were thousands of combined leftists and ordinary criminals working together to burn and loot dozens of American cities -- all with the support of Democrat elected officials -- all well coordinated and well financed by leftist individuals and organizations -- and none of that has ever been investigated by the FBI or prosecuted by the so-called Justice Department.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
MSG Thomas Currie - OK, pick one, start a separate thread, and let's discuss it. Then we can discuss the others.
But let's not detract from this thread.
But let's not detract from this thread.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
..."Former Trump White House adviser Steve Bannon appeared on the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones' show earlier this week and said the FBI was "a new American Gestapo." His show "War Room" continued to compare the FBI to the "Gestapo" on Friday. Republican members of Congress, including Florida Sen. Rick Scott and Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert, have also compared the FBI search to Nazi Germany.
Without any apparent basis or evidence, Bannon also suggested that the federal government might be taking steps to kill Trump.
"I do not think it's beyond this administrative state and their deep state apparatus to actually try to work on the assassination of President Trump," said Bannon.
Bannon went on to call Jones' audience to action, comparing the present moment to the American Revolution, while adding, "I'm not talking about violence."
In a statement to NPR, Bannon said, "Those who watch War Room know our mantra is Investigate, Litigate, Incarcerate. There is no reason or place for violence, as we have the votes and the political muscle to win elections."
Even with those disclaimers, Friedfeld characterized that kind of rhetoric as reckless.
"When you tell a story of good versus evil, of the other side being willing to go to any lengths to harm you, to harm your community, to harm the country, they're essentially laying the dots out there for their listeners to connect," said Friedfeld. "And when you connect those dots, it becomes far more plausible to use violence."
..."Former Trump White House adviser Steve Bannon appeared on the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones' show earlier this week and said the FBI was "a new American Gestapo." His show "War Room" continued to compare the FBI to the "Gestapo" on Friday. Republican members of Congress, including Florida Sen. Rick Scott and Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert, have also compared the FBI search to Nazi Germany.
Without any apparent basis or evidence, Bannon also suggested that the federal government might be taking steps to kill Trump.
"I do not think it's beyond this administrative state and their deep state apparatus to actually try to work on the assassination of President Trump," said Bannon.
Bannon went on to call Jones' audience to action, comparing the present moment to the American Revolution, while adding, "I'm not talking about violence."
In a statement to NPR, Bannon said, "Those who watch War Room know our mantra is Investigate, Litigate, Incarcerate. There is no reason or place for violence, as we have the votes and the political muscle to win elections."
Even with those disclaimers, Friedfeld characterized that kind of rhetoric as reckless.
"When you tell a story of good versus evil, of the other side being willing to go to any lengths to harm you, to harm your community, to harm the country, they're essentially laying the dots out there for their listeners to connect," said Friedfeld. "And when you connect those dots, it becomes far more plausible to use violence."
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Yes, it is a major threat to the country when one one nut spouts "far-right rhetoric" while attacking a building with a nailgun.
But it is perfectly acceptable when thousands of liberals murder dozens of people and do millions of dollars worth of property damage burning multiple cities in a coordinated leftist insurrection that gets reported as "mostly peaceful" and goes completely without investigation or prosecution.
But it is perfectly acceptable when thousands of liberals murder dozens of people and do millions of dollars worth of property damage burning multiple cities in a coordinated leftist insurrection that gets reported as "mostly peaceful" and goes completely without investigation or prosecution.
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MSG Thomas Currie
SFC Thomas Foreman - OK, so not quite zero federal charges, but nothing like the investigative effort devoted to identifying every individual who set foot into the capitol on Jan 6.
Note how your article claiming to disprove unequal treatment, rapidly moves from the tens of thousands involved, to a few hundred charged, to a couple dozen actually jailed. Also note that only the most serious crimes were prosecuted (mostly against people who were arrested and prosecuted at the state level) but many of the "Jan 6" prosecutions are for simple trespass against people whose crime was being part of the mob the surged inside the building. Federal authorities have spent thousands of man-hours searching through videos and social media posts to identify each and ever individual who might have set foot inside the capitol, while almost no effort was made to identify anyone involved in the 2020 riots.
Note how your article claiming to disprove unequal treatment, rapidly moves from the tens of thousands involved, to a few hundred charged, to a couple dozen actually jailed. Also note that only the most serious crimes were prosecuted (mostly against people who were arrested and prosecuted at the state level) but many of the "Jan 6" prosecutions are for simple trespass against people whose crime was being part of the mob the surged inside the building. Federal authorities have spent thousands of man-hours searching through videos and social media posts to identify each and ever individual who might have set foot inside the capitol, while almost no effort was made to identify anyone involved in the 2020 riots.
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MSG Thomas Currie the majority of crimes committed during the BLM protests would not likely fall under federal jurisdiction. And you have a wide, wide disparity of information available. We had a relatively peaceful time here in Pittsburgh, and the only egregious incident was a rich white kid from the suburbs setting a police car on fire and his pictures appeared on the news daily until he was caught
The J6 defendants honestly made themselves pretty damn easy to find. So much of the footage used to identify people is footage they themselves put out there. Not only are they criminals, they’re dumb
The J6 defendants honestly made themselves pretty damn easy to find. So much of the footage used to identify people is footage they themselves put out there. Not only are they criminals, they’re dumb
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MSG Thomas Currie show me any instance in our legal system where the number arrested is anywhere close to the number convicted. It doesn’t happen.
And c’mon man…as bad as burning a Target is, it’s not hitting a cop with a flagpole at the US Capitol
And c’mon man…as bad as burning a Target is, it’s not hitting a cop with a flagpole at the US Capitol
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MSG Thomas Currie also, I can’t speak to how much effort federal authorities put into identifying anyone in either situation, but I know that the majority of J6 identifications were done by internet sleuths
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