Posted on Dec 24, 2023
Army must "increase" fitness standards, but can use gender-specific scores
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Just how many genders will they include? ….oh wait, I thought there was no difference.
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Ain't it interesting that as soon as the Army changes its fitness testing, it experiences a downturn in overall fitness. Why, it's as if they 'fixed' an issue to create a problem.
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We're not talking about playing pattycakes. We are talking about killing people and breaking things. Either you can carry your pack, or you can't. You can take the hill, or you can't. You can withstand the rigors of close combat and hand to hand combat, or you can't. And every service can point to examples of non-combat MOS' soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines being pressed into service as "field-expedient" infantry.
The enemy doesn't give a damn about your gender. All they want to know is can you kill them and/or can they kill you. Come up with one real and meaningful fitness standard for everyone who is going into a combat theater. And of course, the ability to serve in a combat theater should have a bearing on promotability. We're not talking about playing pattycakes. We are talking about killing people and breaking things.
The enemy doesn't give a damn about your gender. All they want to know is can you kill them and/or can they kill you. Come up with one real and meaningful fitness standard for everyone who is going into a combat theater. And of course, the ability to serve in a combat theater should have a bearing on promotability. We're not talking about playing pattycakes. We are talking about killing people and breaking things.
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1SG Russell S.
I totally agree…in a perfect world. In the mean time the big Army uses the PFT to “try” and ensure a base line of fitness and as you are well aware made it part of the promotion score criteria, sooo people being people practice what is needed to pass those test by whatever ranking they can or want to achieve.
Just saying, I do not disagree with your proposal BUT truth said, if such a test was administered prior to a unit being able to deploy…..it would be a total shitshow and I doubt many Brigades could muster the % needed to make it out of the gates without robbing from other Brigades not in the deployment cycle….like has been done before….
Just saying, I do not disagree with your proposal BUT truth said, if such a test was administered prior to a unit being able to deploy…..it would be a total shitshow and I doubt many Brigades could muster the % needed to make it out of the gates without robbing from other Brigades not in the deployment cycle….like has been done before….
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Maj John Bell
1SG Russell S. - One of the things I've noticed in posts from soldiers, they seem to think that the unit can only require a PFT semi-annually.
As a company grade officer, every unit I commanded completed the PFT semi-annually for the record, but it was conducted monthly as a "fitness inventory." If you were "fit for duty" and couldn't achieve 1st class on the PFT at anytime, in a deployable unit, there was no "grab-ass" PT for you. It was all physical conditioning PT. If you scored 3rd class or failed, you also attended after-hours PT and weekend/holiday PT.
As a company grade officer, every unit I commanded completed the PFT semi-annually for the record, but it was conducted monthly as a "fitness inventory." If you were "fit for duty" and couldn't achieve 1st class on the PFT at anytime, in a deployable unit, there was no "grab-ass" PT for you. It was all physical conditioning PT. If you scored 3rd class or failed, you also attended after-hours PT and weekend/holiday PT.
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MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D.
Great idea. When I was a CO I always did exercises with the troops and personally led all runs. I administered an APFT every other month and purposely scored a 285 on the first
one I took after taking command, then told them that anyone who beat my score (EM only) would get a three-day pass the next weekend. I told my LTs they needed to score at least 85 in each event and achieve a score of 260 or higher or they would read about it in their OERs. We won the Draper Award for Armor Leadership by having the best record on Tank Gunnery in the division, the highest REUP %, the lowest Art. 15%, the fewest disciplinary discharges, the highest APFT scores and the best performance on ARTEPs and at NTC. Definitely paid off. . . .
one I took after taking command, then told them that anyone who beat my score (EM only) would get a three-day pass the next weekend. I told my LTs they needed to score at least 85 in each event and achieve a score of 260 or higher or they would read about it in their OERs. We won the Draper Award for Armor Leadership by having the best record on Tank Gunnery in the division, the highest REUP %, the lowest Art. 15%, the fewest disciplinary discharges, the highest APFT scores and the best performance on ARTEPs and at NTC. Definitely paid off. . . .
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