Posted on Mar 20, 2025
Democrats’ silence is damning as leftist violence explodes
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Anyone who doesn't recognize this is a fool/tool of the left extremists.
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Instead of denouncing it, I've seen many say, "well what about the "violence" depected against Bud Light?" First, the closest thing to violence was Kid Rock using a shotgun on several cans of the beer. So with that said, if those who want to protest Musk/Tesla and cancel them, I invite them to buy a Tesla and make as many videos as they like destroying said vehicles.
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin - ease up there, Hoss.
we just talked about false equivalencies and now we are comparing what looks like the actions of maybe a dozen total disjointed people across the country committing felony vandalism (at night with no risk to bystanders) to the OKC bombing, which killed 168 and 9/11 which killed over 3000...
Whatever reasoning these individuals have, I'm already gonna say I think it's wrong.
Made no attempt to rationalize it, because the acts are not rational, I was making a guess at their motivation.
And I made no attempt to mischaracterize what Musk is doing, I merely described it.
If you can't take a SpaceX joke, you can't take a joke.
I am fully aware that pundits and podcasters influence the beliefs and actions of the millions of underinformed, I have seen the results in elections and on JAN 6.
I'm not sure what you think the "inconsistencies" are about dems denouncing violence. They consistently condemned violence in both BLM and antifa protests, both of which movements we all attribute to the "Left" if not the actual DNC.
And I could point to examples of where specific leaders failed to condemn violence with groups that we all attribute to the "Right", but let's just skip it.
Again, if I could just guess (and I cannot emphasize this enough: not rationalize), my guess would be that these attacks have been vandalism, not violence, and therefore has not triggered the genetic trigger in all dems to jump up and condemn violence.
Not that it will have any impact, but I do condemn these attacks. And not because of the costs incurred, but because I believe it is never right to break the law, and certainly not to advance a political agenda, whether that is burning a car or assaulting a cop in protest, or violating one or more laws in the passage and execution of an EO when there is a perfectly legal path to accomplish the exact same end state.
Gotta admit these are crazy times.
I do not think anyone had a bingo card that included the renewable energy left protesting against an EV manufacturer and the drill, baby drill right rushing to the side of an EV manufacturer and promoting the purchase of their cars.
we just talked about false equivalencies and now we are comparing what looks like the actions of maybe a dozen total disjointed people across the country committing felony vandalism (at night with no risk to bystanders) to the OKC bombing, which killed 168 and 9/11 which killed over 3000...
Whatever reasoning these individuals have, I'm already gonna say I think it's wrong.
Made no attempt to rationalize it, because the acts are not rational, I was making a guess at their motivation.
And I made no attempt to mischaracterize what Musk is doing, I merely described it.
If you can't take a SpaceX joke, you can't take a joke.
I am fully aware that pundits and podcasters influence the beliefs and actions of the millions of underinformed, I have seen the results in elections and on JAN 6.
I'm not sure what you think the "inconsistencies" are about dems denouncing violence. They consistently condemned violence in both BLM and antifa protests, both of which movements we all attribute to the "Left" if not the actual DNC.
And I could point to examples of where specific leaders failed to condemn violence with groups that we all attribute to the "Right", but let's just skip it.
Again, if I could just guess (and I cannot emphasize this enough: not rationalize), my guess would be that these attacks have been vandalism, not violence, and therefore has not triggered the genetic trigger in all dems to jump up and condemn violence.
Not that it will have any impact, but I do condemn these attacks. And not because of the costs incurred, but because I believe it is never right to break the law, and certainly not to advance a political agenda, whether that is burning a car or assaulting a cop in protest, or violating one or more laws in the passage and execution of an EO when there is a perfectly legal path to accomplish the exact same end state.
Gotta admit these are crazy times.
I do not think anyone had a bingo card that included the renewable energy left protesting against an EV manufacturer and the drill, baby drill right rushing to the side of an EV manufacturer and promoting the purchase of their cars.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
Not what I said... I was pointing out how a "number of individuals" as you put it can create a significant impact through violence. Especially if the behavior is ignored simply because some people think it's just a few people lashing out. Considering it has happened already in roughly 10 states so far, I think it's a good time for people of all political perspectives to denounce the activity and not feed it before it esclates even more. I was not comparing these actions to the events of 9/11 and OKC. My hope is that the arrest of those behind one of the arson events and the sentry mode offered by the Tesla vehicles will eventually lead to people thinking twice about their actions. My concern is that this becomes normalized and leads to an escalation to more of the same.
Your description of Musk is subjective and your so-called attempt at humor obviously missed the mark.
You have again opted to bring BLM and J6 into the mix here. Yes, there was some condemnation of BLM riots by the left, just as there was from the right about J6. So these events really do not provide relevance to the original topic, which is the lengths people are taking right now to articulate their apathy towards Musk. I referred to a comparison made by left sided pundits, specific to the parent company to Bud Light, which in no way equates to what some are doing in response to Musk's actions with DOGE. They are breaking the law, and no one can draw that comparison to the Bud Light issue. A significant number of people and businesses, unhappy with Bud Light, simply stopped buying their product in response to their actions. Kid Rock took it another further step by poking fun at them in a video. Again, if someone who's upset with Musk wants to buy a Tesla to trash it in a video, have it it!
So, I do appreciate the fact that you do not condone the violence, but the topic of the post was speaking to the silence from the Democrats (I believe you once told me you are not a Democrat and like you said, it hardly matters if you or I speak out). I personally do not like to apply broad inclusion like "all democrats" and would I personally narrow it down to "most" Democrat leaders and their pundits. However, Walz did jump into the mix with his unfortunate comment about how he gets a kick out of watching Tesla stock go down in the mist of all this. All while Musk's dealerships and customers are experiencing violent attacks against their businesses and personal property. Shooting at and throwing Molotov cocktails at a business/vehicle is considered a violent act and most of the media sites have defined it as such. I'm sure someone will follow up with "they have insurance, so no big deal" eventually right? You also have Jimmy Kimmel making fun of the situation too. Not exactly the break in silence one would hope for or expect.
You're right, these are crazy times, and I find it highly ironic that many of the left have turned on Musk so easily. The man who not much more than 2 years ago was leading the charge in EV sales, lauded by the left for doing his part to promote green policies is now considered a "Nazi" for deciding Biden/Harris weren't cutting it, and that Trump had better answer to fixing this nation. Not only that, he has literally put his time and money where his mouth is. What many of them never really understood is that few on the right take issue with the rise of the EV. We never did and many of us were even savvy enough to invest in it while we watched the government subsidize the purchases. Most of us just don't think EV offers any better solutions than gas power vehicles (nor are they cost effective enough to provide an acceptable ROI). I and many others evaluate things through our pocketbooks and not someone else's insistence that we all need to move to EVs or the planet will die. I took a serious look at them a few years ago (back when Elon was still pretty much a hero to the left) during my last purchase, and easily concluded they do not make financial sense yet (at least to me and my situation). I studied the purchase price, tax incentives, average insurance/maintenance expectations, the timing and cost to replace the batteries, and even the environmental impact (negligible). It simply wasn't worth it to me as they could not meet my expectations/requirements. As an example of one of the biggest ironies of this whole thing was when Senator Mark Kelly made a big production about selling his Tesla (which I take no issue with) to buy a Chevy Tahoe. I realize Sen Kelly has never been recognized as a significant green advocate to the Democrat party, but I would imagine that the Democrats that support him have to be torn with the fact that on one side he's sticking it to Musk, and the other he went and replaced his EV with a gas guzzling Tahoe (I once owned one, so I know all to well).
Your description of Musk is subjective and your so-called attempt at humor obviously missed the mark.
You have again opted to bring BLM and J6 into the mix here. Yes, there was some condemnation of BLM riots by the left, just as there was from the right about J6. So these events really do not provide relevance to the original topic, which is the lengths people are taking right now to articulate their apathy towards Musk. I referred to a comparison made by left sided pundits, specific to the parent company to Bud Light, which in no way equates to what some are doing in response to Musk's actions with DOGE. They are breaking the law, and no one can draw that comparison to the Bud Light issue. A significant number of people and businesses, unhappy with Bud Light, simply stopped buying their product in response to their actions. Kid Rock took it another further step by poking fun at them in a video. Again, if someone who's upset with Musk wants to buy a Tesla to trash it in a video, have it it!
So, I do appreciate the fact that you do not condone the violence, but the topic of the post was speaking to the silence from the Democrats (I believe you once told me you are not a Democrat and like you said, it hardly matters if you or I speak out). I personally do not like to apply broad inclusion like "all democrats" and would I personally narrow it down to "most" Democrat leaders and their pundits. However, Walz did jump into the mix with his unfortunate comment about how he gets a kick out of watching Tesla stock go down in the mist of all this. All while Musk's dealerships and customers are experiencing violent attacks against their businesses and personal property. Shooting at and throwing Molotov cocktails at a business/vehicle is considered a violent act and most of the media sites have defined it as such. I'm sure someone will follow up with "they have insurance, so no big deal" eventually right? You also have Jimmy Kimmel making fun of the situation too. Not exactly the break in silence one would hope for or expect.
You're right, these are crazy times, and I find it highly ironic that many of the left have turned on Musk so easily. The man who not much more than 2 years ago was leading the charge in EV sales, lauded by the left for doing his part to promote green policies is now considered a "Nazi" for deciding Biden/Harris weren't cutting it, and that Trump had better answer to fixing this nation. Not only that, he has literally put his time and money where his mouth is. What many of them never really understood is that few on the right take issue with the rise of the EV. We never did and many of us were even savvy enough to invest in it while we watched the government subsidize the purchases. Most of us just don't think EV offers any better solutions than gas power vehicles (nor are they cost effective enough to provide an acceptable ROI). I and many others evaluate things through our pocketbooks and not someone else's insistence that we all need to move to EVs or the planet will die. I took a serious look at them a few years ago (back when Elon was still pretty much a hero to the left) during my last purchase, and easily concluded they do not make financial sense yet (at least to me and my situation). I studied the purchase price, tax incentives, average insurance/maintenance expectations, the timing and cost to replace the batteries, and even the environmental impact (negligible). It simply wasn't worth it to me as they could not meet my expectations/requirements. As an example of one of the biggest ironies of this whole thing was when Senator Mark Kelly made a big production about selling his Tesla (which I take no issue with) to buy a Chevy Tahoe. I realize Sen Kelly has never been recognized as a significant green advocate to the Democrat party, but I would imagine that the Democrats that support him have to be torn with the fact that on one side he's sticking it to Musk, and the other he went and replaced his EV with a gas guzzling Tahoe (I once owned one, so I know all to well).
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin - No, I am not a Democrat. Nor am I a Republican.
I never subscribed to bundling universal policy views by party, because my viewpoints were about 30% Libertarian, 60% GOP and 10% DNC (pretty much just Education, Labor and OHSA, and that's way too much to be really libertarian). And just as importantly, I didn't appreciate the election season demagoguery that did nothing to explain actual policy points.
And I did vote mostly GOP, until 2016, and I'm hoping that it's worth returning to in 2028.
And I am not alone in my "subjective" take on Musk's and DOGE's process of ready. fire, aim.
You won't find anyone on either side who is against reducing govt, and you won't find a better example than what Clinton did in the 90s. You also won't find anyone on either side against cutting F/W/A, although you will get disagreement on whether funding to feed the hungry, prevent deaths from preventable diseases, or cancer research is considered "waste."
What you will find is a lot of folks who are against the current methods.
Reducing govt is about determining what works or doesn't, what we need or don't, who we do or don't need to get those results, then executing those moves.
Firing random people that we have to hire back because we broke something (over a dozen times now), and cutting funding that we realize we needed, (a few times now), while doing nothing about actually fixing depts, then hopefully somewhere down the road fixing more than you break is the longer, more expensive and more painful, and dumbest possible way to do it.
One additional note, I hate paying tax as much as any living person, but I took high school math, and I can see that if we expire the TCJA, and pay 1%-3% more (based on bracket) that is $450B a year, and halfway to cutting the $1T budget deficit in a single step, actually a non-step, because it requires doing nothing to let it expire. why not just start with that easy button, other than the fact that the billionaires who put Trump back in expect the tax breaks?
And more importantly, what's so wrong with reducing gov't the right way, instead of this current fast-food, slick-ass Persian Bazaar manner that we're doing now?
I never subscribed to bundling universal policy views by party, because my viewpoints were about 30% Libertarian, 60% GOP and 10% DNC (pretty much just Education, Labor and OHSA, and that's way too much to be really libertarian). And just as importantly, I didn't appreciate the election season demagoguery that did nothing to explain actual policy points.
And I did vote mostly GOP, until 2016, and I'm hoping that it's worth returning to in 2028.
And I am not alone in my "subjective" take on Musk's and DOGE's process of ready. fire, aim.
You won't find anyone on either side who is against reducing govt, and you won't find a better example than what Clinton did in the 90s. You also won't find anyone on either side against cutting F/W/A, although you will get disagreement on whether funding to feed the hungry, prevent deaths from preventable diseases, or cancer research is considered "waste."
What you will find is a lot of folks who are against the current methods.
Reducing govt is about determining what works or doesn't, what we need or don't, who we do or don't need to get those results, then executing those moves.
Firing random people that we have to hire back because we broke something (over a dozen times now), and cutting funding that we realize we needed, (a few times now), while doing nothing about actually fixing depts, then hopefully somewhere down the road fixing more than you break is the longer, more expensive and more painful, and dumbest possible way to do it.
One additional note, I hate paying tax as much as any living person, but I took high school math, and I can see that if we expire the TCJA, and pay 1%-3% more (based on bracket) that is $450B a year, and halfway to cutting the $1T budget deficit in a single step, actually a non-step, because it requires doing nothing to let it expire. why not just start with that easy button, other than the fact that the billionaires who put Trump back in expect the tax breaks?
And more importantly, what's so wrong with reducing gov't the right way, instead of this current fast-food, slick-ass Persian Bazaar manner that we're doing now?
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
Well there you go. Not a Democrat (like I said) thus, is not referring to you.
Subjective is the operative word and by no means am I trying to imply you are alone in your subjective view. That does not make your view fact. You say there aren't any examples of those on the other side against F/W/A, but there are. This whole effort to challenge Musk serving as an advisor (something other Presidents have tried in the past) and demonize him with unsubstantiated and completely false accusations demonstrates a significant intent to prevent him from becoming successful. I'm not going to debate this
(and your opinion on taxes), again, in a topic that speaks to the actions being taken in the name of "resistance" against Musk. Regardless of what you think Musk is doing, right or wrong, for the DOGE effort, the actions taken are still unacceptable and should be called out as such by all parties. I know you want to push more tangents here, but I'm going to keep this on topic. I'm really not interested in your opinion on how or why Musk is doing what he is doing anymore as it does not have any bearing over the point made in the original post.
Subjective is the operative word and by no means am I trying to imply you are alone in your subjective view. That does not make your view fact. You say there aren't any examples of those on the other side against F/W/A, but there are. This whole effort to challenge Musk serving as an advisor (something other Presidents have tried in the past) and demonize him with unsubstantiated and completely false accusations demonstrates a significant intent to prevent him from becoming successful. I'm not going to debate this
(and your opinion on taxes), again, in a topic that speaks to the actions being taken in the name of "resistance" against Musk. Regardless of what you think Musk is doing, right or wrong, for the DOGE effort, the actions taken are still unacceptable and should be called out as such by all parties. I know you want to push more tangents here, but I'm going to keep this on topic. I'm really not interested in your opinion on how or why Musk is doing what he is doing anymore as it does not have any bearing over the point made in the original post.
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I don't think they are being too quiet.
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