Posted on Apr 3, 2025
Canada's Tank Fleet In In a State of 'Disrepair'
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No surprise there, LTC Stephen Conway! Everyone talks about how badly we’re treating Canada right now, but everyone fails to recognize that Canada relies very heavily upon the United States for its own defense. Their entire armed forces are incapable of withstanding any type of sustained armed invasion or attack. They rely on the United States but we’re the bad guys. Not buying it.
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LTC Stephen C.
Perhaps you misunderstood me somewhat also, MSG Thomas Currie. I wasn’t suggesting that any country would invade Canada. I was stating that Canada lacks the wherewithal to defend itself on a sustained basis from outside threats. I think that the essence of your comments (please correct me if I’m wrong) is that no country anywhere in the world can currently attack by sea, therefore the only way currently to attack Canada is by land, and that the United States is the only country with whom Canada shares a border. You then state that the “only military purpose of the Canadian land forces is to support Commonwealth operations, not to defend Canadian soil.” Your quote is correct but Canada is wrong.
My premise is that Canada is hardly capable of defending itself and that Canada relies on the United States of America for its defense. I think that is profoundly wrong. “No sovereign nation should rely upon another sovereign nation to that extent.” My premise is not mine alone. It’s shared by the United States, other countries also, and many Canadians that are alarmed and sounding off about it. There are articles available ad nauseam written principally by Canadians about the country’s long growing inability to defend itself. I’ve included one that is the source article for the quote below.
“Canada was locked out of AUKUS, the military alliance between the U.S., the U.K. and Australia. ‘It wasn't an oversight,’ Maisonneuve explained. ‘It was a deliberate snub. The Americans don't see us as a serious defence partner anymore.’ That snub should have been a wake-up call. Instead, our government shrugged it off.
Meanwhile, Washington is openly questioning Canada's value in NATO. The Americans see the numbers-Canada refuses to meet even the minimum defence spending requirement of two per cent of GDP. Instead of fulfilling our obligations, we offer up empty promises and expect others to pick up the slack.”
Canada contributes approximately 1.3% of its GDP to defense. It’s pathetic. All of their armed services are lacking in equipment and personnel. The recruitment process takes an excruciatingly long period of time.
I will mention that many of the authors of the various articles express their concerns about the aggressive nature of China and Russia, and their overtures in the Arctic. It’s quite possible that but for the defense umbrella provided by the United States, either of those countries could have been more aggressive.
Ultimately, I’m glad that the United States is an ally of Canada and despite all the current talks about tariffs, I’m quite certain that Canada is glad that we’re their ally. I simply don’t think that Canada should be so reliant upon the United States of America for its defense.
https://fcpp.org/2025/03/11/canadas-military-is-collapsing-without-urgent-action-we-wont-be-able-to-defend-ourselves/
My premise is that Canada is hardly capable of defending itself and that Canada relies on the United States of America for its defense. I think that is profoundly wrong. “No sovereign nation should rely upon another sovereign nation to that extent.” My premise is not mine alone. It’s shared by the United States, other countries also, and many Canadians that are alarmed and sounding off about it. There are articles available ad nauseam written principally by Canadians about the country’s long growing inability to defend itself. I’ve included one that is the source article for the quote below.
“Canada was locked out of AUKUS, the military alliance between the U.S., the U.K. and Australia. ‘It wasn't an oversight,’ Maisonneuve explained. ‘It was a deliberate snub. The Americans don't see us as a serious defence partner anymore.’ That snub should have been a wake-up call. Instead, our government shrugged it off.
Meanwhile, Washington is openly questioning Canada's value in NATO. The Americans see the numbers-Canada refuses to meet even the minimum defence spending requirement of two per cent of GDP. Instead of fulfilling our obligations, we offer up empty promises and expect others to pick up the slack.”
Canada contributes approximately 1.3% of its GDP to defense. It’s pathetic. All of their armed services are lacking in equipment and personnel. The recruitment process takes an excruciatingly long period of time.
I will mention that many of the authors of the various articles express their concerns about the aggressive nature of China and Russia, and their overtures in the Arctic. It’s quite possible that but for the defense umbrella provided by the United States, either of those countries could have been more aggressive.
Ultimately, I’m glad that the United States is an ally of Canada and despite all the current talks about tariffs, I’m quite certain that Canada is glad that we’re their ally. I simply don’t think that Canada should be so reliant upon the United States of America for its defense.
https://fcpp.org/2025/03/11/canadas-military-is-collapsing-without-urgent-action-we-wont-be-able-to-defend-ourselves/
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MSG Thomas Currie
LTC Stephen C. - We agree that Canada lacks a military force comparable to its geographic size or even comparable to their population or GDP -- so yes, the Canadian military would easily lose to countries any of several other countries if there was some way for them to meet -- but that is the key point: there is simply no way for them to meet.
Canada is a statistic unicorn -- immense area, high per capita GDP, but very small population.
If you look at the Canadian military in regard to the country's size, the military is ridiculously small. If you compare their military to their total GDP (not per capita) their military is small, if you compare their military to their population their military is barely below average. But none of that matters because land area, GDP, and population are irrelevant -- the only factor that maters in deciding or evaluating a force structure is whether or not it fits the mission. The Canadian military has no mission to defend Canada because Canada has no need for defense.
I know, you want to say that the Canadian military has no need to defend Canada because the US provides its defense -- but that isn't even close to relevant because Canada doesn't need the US to defend them -- who are we defending them against? The Duchy of Grand Fenwick, perhaps?
Canada is a statistic unicorn -- immense area, high per capita GDP, but very small population.
If you look at the Canadian military in regard to the country's size, the military is ridiculously small. If you compare their military to their total GDP (not per capita) their military is small, if you compare their military to their population their military is barely below average. But none of that matters because land area, GDP, and population are irrelevant -- the only factor that maters in deciding or evaluating a force structure is whether or not it fits the mission. The Canadian military has no mission to defend Canada because Canada has no need for defense.
I know, you want to say that the Canadian military has no need to defend Canada because the US provides its defense -- but that isn't even close to relevant because Canada doesn't need the US to defend them -- who are we defending them against? The Duchy of Grand Fenwick, perhaps?
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LTC Stephen C.
MSG Thomas Currie, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. You don’t think that Canada needs a vastly strengthened and increased military force. I do, as does the United States, Australia, the United Kingdom and likely many other countries, especially NATO member countries. It’s okay. We think differently.
You think that Canada doesn’t need (or rely on) the United States for its defense. I do. It’s okay. We think differently.
I hope that Canada does take steps to increase and strengthen their military force and I further hope that Canada never needs to call on them for any reason.
Lastly, I thought your comment about the Duchy of Grand Fenwick was snide, a poor attempt at humor (if that was the intent), unworthy of you and me, and a comment that you could have easily omitted.
You think that Canada doesn’t need (or rely on) the United States for its defense. I do. It’s okay. We think differently.
I hope that Canada does take steps to increase and strengthen their military force and I further hope that Canada never needs to call on them for any reason.
Lastly, I thought your comment about the Duchy of Grand Fenwick was snide, a poor attempt at humor (if that was the intent), unworthy of you and me, and a comment that you could have easily omitted.
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MSG Thomas Currie
LTC Stephen C. - Your misunderstanding of the Fenwick comment was on par with this entire discussion. My point was that, just like Fenwick, any invader would need to hire a boat and come to a port where they would disembark like ordinary passengers. No one has the military capability to reach North America any other way.
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Oh, and you want to talk about underinvestment? Germany recently signed a contract with Thales to extend the life of 30+ year old ANALOG radios for their combat vehicles. We're talking A/N-PRC-77 level technology!
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LTC Stephen Conway Is that Lima or the Detroit Arsenal? Last time I visited Lima, they were making replacement turrets for Egyptian M1s, as well as some MRAP components, but no new tanks. I vaguely heard that Detroit Arsenal had something going on with KSA's Abrams fleet...
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LTC Stephen Conway
Lima so far in Ohio. I did not know Egypt has a licensed plant also.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1A1_tank_coproduction_program_in_Egypt
LTC Stephen C. LTC Matthew Schlosser SGM Jeff Mccloud COL Randall Cudworth LTC Trent Klug
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1A1_tank_coproduction_program_in_Egypt
LTC Stephen C. LTC Matthew Schlosser SGM Jeff Mccloud COL Randall Cudworth LTC Trent Klug
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