California suing Trump over border wall, escalating battle with White House

SN Greg Wright - Me too. I'll never move back.

SFC James Sczymanski - A simple statement of fact i guess you could not find any facts to reply with.

Voted down for being a particularly aggravated case of infantile babblie

SFC James Sczymanski - Again you lack the ability to address the topic and resort to insults? that is sad,

1stSgt Nelson Kerr - Yes, and there had been programs that actually worked to allow migrant workers in for harvesting crops, California isn't the only state to do that. Once the season was over they were able to return to their country or origin. This is NOT the same issue as illegal entry and actually does help. Even in Massachusetts there are seasonal Migrant farm workers and actually that does works out pretty well. This is a controlled entry and often the same workers return year after year. Could some of them be good candidates for legal permanent entry ? I'm sure many would, they have a good chance to prove themselves. We can handle that and have but massive uncontrolled groups of people sneaking across the border is a whole other issue. I can understand Why many may want to but the sheer uncontrolled volume and often lack of knowledge on their past criminal Histories can and does make more problems than it solves. There used to be a requirement that You be sponsored and have ways to make it on You own and not be a burden on an already overtaxed, overused system when We have citizens of our own that are lacking these services.

I've got money to bet the feds, who are responsible for border and national security, will trump (no pun intended) an annoying fly like the CA attorney general who is likely positioning himself to run for governor.

Capt Dwayne Conyers - Why do you believe that the Dutch brought rats to the Americas? Hudson may have brought rats with him from the Netherlands, but what is it to say that the Spanish did not bring them?

My mistake, SSG Robert Webster. I remembered high school history incorrectly. It was Norwegians, not the Dutch. The Dutch ran the African slave trade. I stand corrected.

http://www.ratbehavior.org/history.htm

SSG Robert Webster - The rats that were bought in were NORDIC rats, Called Norway Rats but they come from the Baltic region.

1stSgt Nelson Kerr - Really? Interesting but did you even check on the subject? Did you even read the material at the link provided by Capt Dwayne Conyers?
Here is the pertinent information - Asian origin of the Norway rat: The Norway rat (R. norvegicus) and the black rat (R. rattus) originated in Asia. Norway rats originated on the plains of Asia, probably in what is now northern China and Mongolia, where wild rats still live in burrows today. Black rats originated further south in the in the Indo-Malayan region (Krinke 2000, Walker 1964).
Norway rats spread beyond Europe: Black rats reached the New World in the 16th century. Norway rats reached North America around 1755 on the ships of the new settlers (Grzimek 1968) and are reported on the east coast of the United States in 1775 (Lantz 1909, reported in Jackson 1982 and Krinke 2000). As in Europe, Norway rats displaced black rats (Krinke 2000).
Today, Norway rats have almost completely replaced black rats in Europe and America, where black rats are now rare or absent in much of their former range. In contrast, in tropical zones black rats have the edge and are more common than Norway rats there (Nowak 1991).

Now the interesting part about the dates of arrival in the Americas -
abt. 1000 - Norsemen arrive in the Americas
1492 - Cristobal Colon (Christopher Columbus) arrived in the Americas. A Genoese working for the Spanish Crown.
1497 - John Cabot arrived in the Americas. A Genoese working for the English Crown.
1499 - The Portuguese mariner João Fernandes Lavrador visited the northeast Atlantic coast of North America and Greenland.
1500 - The Portuguese land in what is now Brazil.
1607 - English found Jamestown.
1609 - Henry Hudson (an Englishman) working for a Dutch company explored parts of North America, including the area of New York and what is now Hudson Bay.

According to the time line (there is no graphic representation) provided by the material that Captain Conyers presented black rats (rattus rattus) arrived in the Americas one to two centuries before brown rats (Norway rats, Norwegian rats, Hanover rats)(rattus norvegicus).
Now what is interesting is that it is believed that the English/British are responsible for the spread of this pest. The English naturalist John Berkenhout believed it had migrated to England from Norwegian ships in 1728.

"The brown rat did not reach North America until around 1750–1755."
Freye, H.A., and Thenius, E. (1968) Die Nagetiere. Grzimeks Tierleben. (B. Grzimek, ed.) Volume 11. Kindler, Zurich. pp. 204–211.
Nowak, Robert M. (1999) Walker's Mammals of the World. JHU Press. pp. 1521. ISBN 0-8018-5789-9.