Posted on Jan 16, 2021
Can The Forces Unleashed By Trump's Big Election Lie Be Undone?
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This is something I've wondered a lot about. I've had several conversations here on RP about Trump's lies over the last few years and how corrosive they are. Many of the people who supported him claimed no one really believed the lies. I always retorted that was not the case, the lies were being believed and they were dangerous.
So here we are. Trump's lies about the election have led to an attack on our capitol. An attack on our electoral process and now people no longer believe in our system of elections. That's only going to lead to more violence.
I'm not sure how easy this genie is going to be to put back in the bottle. I suspect can now expect years of increased domestic terrorism because of this president's "harmless" lies.
So here we are. Trump's lies about the election have led to an attack on our capitol. An attack on our electoral process and now people no longer believe in our system of elections. That's only going to lead to more violence.
I'm not sure how easy this genie is going to be to put back in the bottle. I suspect can now expect years of increased domestic terrorism because of this president's "harmless" lies.
Can The Forces Unleashed By Trump's Big Election Lie Be Undone?
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Election 2020
Riots
Donald Trump
Terrorism
Posted 4 y ago
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What lie? There is evidence of election fraud. Is it true? Is it substantive? I'd like to know. Wouldn't you? Sadly, there are many who don't want to even look. They simply call it "A lie!" I can only assume that they don't give a damn so long as the result goes their way. In other words, the end justifies the means.
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CPT Jack Durish
SPC Kevin Ford - Your comment about what difference it makes when ballot counting starts reminds me of the Facebook response to postings they don't like (don't fit their ideological narrative). Paraphrasing, they basically say that there are rules governing election processes and your comment doesn't conform to our rules. Yes, there are laws, but there are also law breakers. If ballot counters don't follow rules governing the process, what makes you think they are following rules governing the honest counting of ballots? I openly admit to a prejudice. I don't trust government employees in this instance. They belong to unions that openly support democrats who, when in office, vote for salary increases to government employees who pay union dues that help fund democrat campaigns. It is an incestuous relationship. We saw cases of postal employees belong to a union that is in such a relationship with democrats, moving ballots across state lines. We saw absentee ballots from military members being found in places where they would never be counted. Need I go on?
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SPC Kevin Ford
CPT Jack Durish - To be clear, I'm not even sure they did start counting early. I'd have to see some evidence for that.
Also to be clear, you are making a "could have happened" argument with the counting early, in fact is is so abstract you are not even claiming the counting early didn't change anything but you just think that means there may be problems elsewhere. That's not Trump's claim or the claim that that his supporters marching on the capitol are making. The claim they are making is, "it did happen". So far none of your evidence supports that.
You will have to provide some sort of evidence for these two as well: "We saw cases of postal employees belong to a union that is in such a relationship with democrats, moving ballots across state lines. We saw absentee ballots from military members being found in places where they would never be counted."
Also to be clear, you are making a "could have happened" argument with the counting early, in fact is is so abstract you are not even claiming the counting early didn't change anything but you just think that means there may be problems elsewhere. That's not Trump's claim or the claim that that his supporters marching on the capitol are making. The claim they are making is, "it did happen". So far none of your evidence supports that.
You will have to provide some sort of evidence for these two as well: "We saw cases of postal employees belong to a union that is in such a relationship with democrats, moving ballots across state lines. We saw absentee ballots from military members being found in places where they would never be counted."
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CPT Jack Durish
SPC Kevin Ford - Evidence? They admitted it as though it was their right.
"Could have happened?" Yes, when people violate the law, most anything can happen and, as I carefully spelled out, did happen. It was the absolute of intention of ballot harvesting. Maybe, you missed my earlier comment that the purpose of beginning an early count was to catch "errors" so they could be "corrected".
So far I haven't offered evidence. Evidence is documented at trials. I'm only offering hearsay which is sufficient to ask for someone to develop it into evidence for or against election fraud. Why is that so damn hard to understand? I can't, despite my art, come up with better words? Probably because you and the other here don't want to hear or understand what I'm saying. Just dismiss me as a crank, a Trumpster, a Republican. How about merely accepting my concern as a citizen who wants to see a fair election? You like the result? Fine. I only care about a fair result. Now, I'm done. I'm sure you'll reinterpret everything I've written and I don't need to offer you any more to reinterpret. Have a nice life...
"Could have happened?" Yes, when people violate the law, most anything can happen and, as I carefully spelled out, did happen. It was the absolute of intention of ballot harvesting. Maybe, you missed my earlier comment that the purpose of beginning an early count was to catch "errors" so they could be "corrected".
So far I haven't offered evidence. Evidence is documented at trials. I'm only offering hearsay which is sufficient to ask for someone to develop it into evidence for or against election fraud. Why is that so damn hard to understand? I can't, despite my art, come up with better words? Probably because you and the other here don't want to hear or understand what I'm saying. Just dismiss me as a crank, a Trumpster, a Republican. How about merely accepting my concern as a citizen who wants to see a fair election? You like the result? Fine. I only care about a fair result. Now, I'm done. I'm sure you'll reinterpret everything I've written and I don't need to offer you any more to reinterpret. Have a nice life...
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SPC Kevin Ford
CPT Jack Durish -
Jack,
Seriously, I'm just trying to have a conversation and not attack you personally, I'm just disagreeing. From other interactions here between you and I, I suspect we'd get along just fine as long as we didn't talk politics, particularly given a shared twisted sense of humor.
It sounds like you are telling me you are done with this conversation. That's fine, we can agree to disagree and I won't go further with it (no matter how much I want to :)).
Jack,
Seriously, I'm just trying to have a conversation and not attack you personally, I'm just disagreeing. From other interactions here between you and I, I suspect we'd get along just fine as long as we didn't talk politics, particularly given a shared twisted sense of humor.
It sounds like you are telling me you are done with this conversation. That's fine, we can agree to disagree and I won't go further with it (no matter how much I want to :)).
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Apparently these lies were not put to rest after the Civil War. We should have hanged all Confederate Officers then
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