Posted on Oct 29, 2020
Debunking the False Claim That COVID Death Counts Are Inflated
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The data presented in the article is precise. The main advantage of the scientific evidence is to reduce error and bias. And BTW even "healthy" folks evidence signs of comorbidity which may not be clinically relevant until death.
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One thing I've never said its the Death Counts were inflated.
Only observations I've made is the directives sops to 'protect' the public.
The mandated measures are grossly inadequate.
One thing that has fallen out of the media's expressions is the phrase, "flattening the curve".
We will all get it.
We will all spread it through its 96% surface contact contamination.
Medicine's and care will help, but not prevent all deaths.
Only observations I've made is the directives sops to 'protect' the public.
The mandated measures are grossly inadequate.
One thing that has fallen out of the media's expressions is the phrase, "flattening the curve".
We will all get it.
We will all spread it through its 96% surface contact contamination.
Medicine's and care will help, but not prevent all deaths.
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SPC Kevin Ford
SFC Ralph E Kelley I think that's where we are at now. The flattening the curve was always about not overwhelming the local health care systems until we figured out better ways to treat it or get a vaccine.
It seems that the most dangerous time was right at the beginning where our treatments were ineffective and it was starting to overwhelm the healthcare systems of highly populated ports of entry. It's still dangerous but we are getting better at treating it, so we have that going for us. Even now, if we let it burn out of control we will be back to the overwhelming local health care systems and that will cause a spike in unneeded deaths.
We would be much, much better off if we had been better at slowing the spread at the beginning which would have made it so the geometric progression of the spread was in an "earlier" state and saved a whole ton of lives, but we are where we are.
It seems that the most dangerous time was right at the beginning where our treatments were ineffective and it was starting to overwhelm the healthcare systems of highly populated ports of entry. It's still dangerous but we are getting better at treating it, so we have that going for us. Even now, if we let it burn out of control we will be back to the overwhelming local health care systems and that will cause a spike in unneeded deaths.
We would be much, much better off if we had been better at slowing the spread at the beginning which would have made it so the geometric progression of the spread was in an "earlier" state and saved a whole ton of lives, but we are where we are.
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LTC Eugene Chu
Excellent point about how our current health care systems may not have capacity to handle resurgence of COVID
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/what-happens-if-hospitals-reach-maximum-covid-19-capacity/277-de963560-fbae-4e43-bd8c-0684dfe045f5
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/what-happens-if-hospitals-reach-maximum-covid-19-capacity/277-de963560-fbae-4e43-bd8c-0684dfe045f5
What happens if Idaho hospitals reach maximum capacity due to coronavirus cases?
“If we have to execute crisis standards then it's a demonstration of the failure of the community," said Saint Alphonsus Chief Clinical Officer Dr. Steven Nemerson.
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Dumb Donald and his equally dumb followers are the only I know to downplay anything COVID related
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SSgt Ray Stone People believe what they can see. Where I live in rural KY, COVID is a non-issue. Almost no one is in the hospital, almost no one has died, and kost people don't even know someone who has been hospitalized or died. Most pwople around here feel like they are being needlessly oppressed because C19 just isn't a big deal. That is what they can see.
The only way C19 is affecting the overwhelming majority of lives around here is due to the (seemingly) draconian measures enacted to combat it, and the biggest impact is to our small businesses, many of whom were barely hanging on back in February, before the lockdowns started.
The second biggest impact is to the folks who have lost their jobs, had their hours cut, or have to take time off to stay home with children whose schools are closed. We are a poor community with already too many people on government assistance - C19 is hurting far more people here through loss of wages than loss of health or even loss of life.
To folks in my neck of the woods, C19 just isn't an issue - but the response to it most definitely is.
I do not agree with this viewpoint. I am do I g everything I can to reduce the spread, I always wear my mask, I socially distance, I wash my hands regularly, I avoid going out if I don't have to. But I can certainly ly understand why people in my area are highly skeptical of numbers that make no sense with what they can see and experience. I can understand why they object to and downplay the fear-mongering of the left (and my town very slightly leans left, surprisingly enough) in light of the impact the fear has had on their lives. Fear of the virus is not as deadly - but it has had a greater cumulative impact here.
The only way C19 is affecting the overwhelming majority of lives around here is due to the (seemingly) draconian measures enacted to combat it, and the biggest impact is to our small businesses, many of whom were barely hanging on back in February, before the lockdowns started.
The second biggest impact is to the folks who have lost their jobs, had their hours cut, or have to take time off to stay home with children whose schools are closed. We are a poor community with already too many people on government assistance - C19 is hurting far more people here through loss of wages than loss of health or even loss of life.
To folks in my neck of the woods, C19 just isn't an issue - but the response to it most definitely is.
I do not agree with this viewpoint. I am do I g everything I can to reduce the spread, I always wear my mask, I socially distance, I wash my hands regularly, I avoid going out if I don't have to. But I can certainly ly understand why people in my area are highly skeptical of numbers that make no sense with what they can see and experience. I can understand why they object to and downplay the fear-mongering of the left (and my town very slightly leans left, surprisingly enough) in light of the impact the fear has had on their lives. Fear of the virus is not as deadly - but it has had a greater cumulative impact here.
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SSgt Ray Stone
SFC Casey O'Mally - Sir fear mongering seriously? That right there tells me you're a Trump supporter cause he uses the same talking points to downplay COVID which he lied about and tested positive for lol. Question being that youre in KY, do you still support McConnel?
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SSgt Ray Stone You make assumptions. When you make assumptions you make an ass out of u and umption.
I am a never-Trumper. I did not vote for him in 2016, I will not vote for him in 2020. In early 2016, I wrote an open letter begging the Republican party to soldify behind a non-Trump candidate in the primaries so the he would not get the nomination - I could read the tea leaves in February, and I did not like their message.
But yes, there IS fear-mongering going on. The Democratic party is literally banking on fear right now. They are playing the Corona Card every chance they get - and they are raking in billions in campaign donations doing it. I am not saying there is nothing to be scared of. But.... Corona is not the ONLY thing happening in this nation right now. But if you ask the top Democrats, the only two things you should even think about are Corona and beating Trump. Why do we need to beat Trump? Corona. So really it is Corona and Corona.
Mitch has nothing to do with the question at hand. But for the record, I recently retired to KY, so I did not have the opportunity to vote for (or against) Mitch in 2014. But I actually initiated a "Ditch Mitch" campaign. So... I was largely ambivalent to him prior to becoming a Kentuckian, and now I am strongly against him.
On a different note, don't be so quick to dismiss other views. I am giving you ground truth as objectively as possible. I am telling you what it very much looks like out here. You say that only "dumb Trump supporters" downplay COVID. I told you that this town very slightly leans left - meaning not all Trump supporters, let alone dumb ones. I articulate the point relatively clearly - meaning that even if I WERE a Trump supporter, I am not a dumb one. And I tell you folks around here are less concerned about the virus than they are about the response. Because around HERE, the response is having a much bigger impact than the virus is. That has nothing to do with Orange Man Bad, OR MAGA/KAG. It has to do with the very real impacts people are seeing in their lives.
But, because it doesn't fit your narrative, you HAVE to dismiss it as "Trump supporter using Trump talking points." I don't really follow his talking points, but if that IS one of his talking points, maybe it is because he is listening to rural voices instead of immediately dismissing them as you seem wont to do.
I am a never-Trumper. I did not vote for him in 2016, I will not vote for him in 2020. In early 2016, I wrote an open letter begging the Republican party to soldify behind a non-Trump candidate in the primaries so the he would not get the nomination - I could read the tea leaves in February, and I did not like their message.
But yes, there IS fear-mongering going on. The Democratic party is literally banking on fear right now. They are playing the Corona Card every chance they get - and they are raking in billions in campaign donations doing it. I am not saying there is nothing to be scared of. But.... Corona is not the ONLY thing happening in this nation right now. But if you ask the top Democrats, the only two things you should even think about are Corona and beating Trump. Why do we need to beat Trump? Corona. So really it is Corona and Corona.
Mitch has nothing to do with the question at hand. But for the record, I recently retired to KY, so I did not have the opportunity to vote for (or against) Mitch in 2014. But I actually initiated a "Ditch Mitch" campaign. So... I was largely ambivalent to him prior to becoming a Kentuckian, and now I am strongly against him.
On a different note, don't be so quick to dismiss other views. I am giving you ground truth as objectively as possible. I am telling you what it very much looks like out here. You say that only "dumb Trump supporters" downplay COVID. I told you that this town very slightly leans left - meaning not all Trump supporters, let alone dumb ones. I articulate the point relatively clearly - meaning that even if I WERE a Trump supporter, I am not a dumb one. And I tell you folks around here are less concerned about the virus than they are about the response. Because around HERE, the response is having a much bigger impact than the virus is. That has nothing to do with Orange Man Bad, OR MAGA/KAG. It has to do with the very real impacts people are seeing in their lives.
But, because it doesn't fit your narrative, you HAVE to dismiss it as "Trump supporter using Trump talking points." I don't really follow his talking points, but if that IS one of his talking points, maybe it is because he is listening to rural voices instead of immediately dismissing them as you seem wont to do.
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SSgt Ray Stone
SFC Casey O'Mally - Apologies. Just as you shared your experience, my experience is majority of the fear mongering, panic, and other terms regarding the COVID I've heard are from Trump supporters regurtating his ignorance. Im not overly concerned about the virus as well being that I and those close to me have not tested positive, but for me to deny its seriousness is foolish. Just as I as a black man to deny racism doesn't exist though I haven't experienced it would be foolish as well...but that's another subject
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