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Thank you for the article and well written. I have stated here and other places that we need to understand there is a difference between Direct Offensive Combat action and Defensive combat action(getting hit on patrol or convoy and getting off the X or protecting your job site outside the wire and returning fire engineers). These are two different objectives and deploy different type of skills and tactics. My combat service community is prime example we are trained to work and survive in a combat environment and have such skill set, but do not have the skill set to conduct offensive strikes and or the conditioning and mental awareness of such actions. They have used these type of actions like convoy hits and defensive job site hit engineering sites and it is combat action yes, but not day in day out combat action or missions that SOF units and Infantry units do. We to had women conducting the lioness mission and those who did said it was ok but would not choose that as a life long job. The same with women on the convoy security teams (CST) said they would never do it again if they had to do that to stay in the Navy, unlike the men who said that is all they wanted to do to stay in or try SEAL.
The thing is the men that do those jobs are doing it for a grater service and the team, most of them are not there to prove a point they are doing it because of the team and the mission. This is why they have qualification course for these jobs. If you are doing it to prove a point or because you were told you could not, so you want to show them you can, these are not the jobs to make a statement there are lives on the line.
The thing is the men that do those jobs are doing it for a grater service and the team, most of them are not there to prove a point they are doing it because of the team and the mission. This is why they have qualification course for these jobs. If you are doing it to prove a point or because you were told you could not, so you want to show them you can, these are not the jobs to make a statement there are lives on the line.
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Sgt Jude Eden
These are excellent points - defensive vs. offensive concept is very concise, I'll definitely use that explanation in the future (I'm constantly trying to explain (mainly to civilians) the difference in degree, demand and intensity of responding to the enemy while serving a support role vs. your job being to hunt down the enemy. I did Lioness although it wasn't called that then, and I would have loved to have done it the whole deployment.
I notice a big difference between the high-profile military women advocating for WIC vs. the guys I know who've seen close combat. The former is like "I manned a gun, I did this I did that, women can do it...I...me...I" a lot of self-aggrandizement. The latter tend to be reticent, the quintessential quiet professionals, and they're the ones being denigrated as misogynist patriarchal apes who just want to keep women down. And they've done the most for us.
I notice a big difference between the high-profile military women advocating for WIC vs. the guys I know who've seen close combat. The former is like "I manned a gun, I did this I did that, women can do it...I...me...I" a lot of self-aggrandizement. The latter tend to be reticent, the quintessential quiet professionals, and they're the ones being denigrated as misogynist patriarchal apes who just want to keep women down. And they've done the most for us.
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Well said and I know we directly support those "apes" as others would call them. We build the KPOS and SOF VSP's and VSO's most of the VSP's and VSO's we sent all male build teams out excepts one time when all the teams were out and they needed a new VSP that second to hold ground. ODA's would take a mud hut and land from the bad guys or move right next door to them and we would build them up. There was only females back at the main SOF camp in BAF and they made the decision to send them out. They did there job and did it well but the one negative is the ODA said they looked after them more then the all male teams and I think this is the male I am man complex and they have to look out for women. That will go away with time but most ALFA male types will always want to do that and this will take there eye and mind off the ball.
I had females on my Convoy Security Teams and looking back at it there were time when I was always worried more about them on the 240's or M2's instead of the big picture which as a team Chief that is my job. I did same thing when we did bridge missions tried to look out for them. It's a male thing.
You are doing a good job. keep it up..
I had females on my Convoy Security Teams and looking back at it there were time when I was always worried more about them on the 240's or M2's instead of the big picture which as a team Chief that is my job. I did same thing when we did bridge missions tried to look out for them. It's a male thing.
You are doing a good job. keep it up..
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The Israeli military is integrated, I am confident we can do the same. I am concerned that the traditional services are becoming a risk adverse social experiment and special ops is the only 'at risk' force.
I believe that completely integrated force is the best long term path, in Signal I work with 35% female with no operational issues. I am proud of my teammates regardless of gender and trust all to execute their job as professional soldiers.
I believe that completely integrated force is the best long term path, in Signal I work with 35% female with no operational issues. I am proud of my teammates regardless of gender and trust all to execute their job as professional soldiers.
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Sgt Jude Eden
We're integrated - that's not the issue. And IDF conscription doesn't mean serving equally. They don't put women in direct ground combat, they've found it degrades their ability to effectively fight the enemy and the women's injuries are "dozens of percentage points higher" than the men according to one IDF general who previously spearheaded combat unit integration but after seeing the results over a decade changed his mind. Our military women do much more than Israeli women. They frankly are relegated to a lot more clerical work and coffee making than we are. They only serve 19 months vs. 3 years for men, get exemption for marriage, pregnancy, children, or religious orthodoxy, and only serve in 2 light battalions that only serve patrolling borders of Egypt and Jordan with whom they have peace accords.
Men and women working together in the military has never been the issue. It's willingly degrading the readiness of our most critical fighting units when we know women aren't interchangeable with men physically and have a lot more risks than men do. We also didn't have to repeal the combat exemption to effectively use women where needed, we've already been doing that.
Men and women working together in the military has never been the issue. It's willingly degrading the readiness of our most critical fighting units when we know women aren't interchangeable with men physically and have a lot more risks than men do. We also didn't have to repeal the combat exemption to effectively use women where needed, we've already been doing that.
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