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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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Real simple. Don't torture people. Don't get sued.

1) It's against the Law. It's also against the 8th Amendment. It's one of the "Big Rules."
2) It's unethical. See above.
3) It's immoral. See above.
4) It's ineffective (The Army FM on interrogation says this in B&W).
5) It's $*&%^&*% wrong. You know it's $^&$* wrong. Don't $^&$* do it.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" - I realize I'm both an ideologist and an #$&hole. But we're better than that. We (the US) are supposed to take the moral high ground. That's what allows us to be the "world police." You can't fight bullies if you yourself are a bully.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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It will be interesting to see if this opinion is reversed by higher authorities.

If it goes forward and CIA operatives are prosecuted for following the guidelines set down by the government it will kill intelligence gathering more effectively than closing Gitmo and using drones to take out terrorists. Nobody will be willing to trust the government to have their backs when conducting black ops.
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Capt Seid Waddell
Capt Seid Waddell
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COL Ted Mc, the methods used had been vetted by the U.S. Atty. Gen. and approved by the President of the United States. They were considered aggressive questioning techniques, but not torture. The torture label was put on them by political opponents.

In contrast, those that decry waterboarding as torture seem to have no problem with killing the terrorists with drones rather than capturing and questioning them.

Which is worse, frightening the terrorists into talking or taking them out with a Hellfire missile?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ten-years-after-9-11-john-yoo-defends-his-legacy-legality-of-waterboarding/
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COL Ted Mc
COL Ted Mc
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Capt Seid Waddell - Captain; When the same "aggressive questioning techniques" were used against Americans during WWII they were considered "torture" and resulted in the trial, conviction, and imprisonment of people using them against Americans.

The difference is that in WWII "they" were using the techniques against "us" and now "we" are using the techniques against "them".

The technical term for that difference is "hypocrisy".
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Capt Seid Waddell
Capt Seid Waddell
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COL Ted Mc, "Captain; When the same 'aggressive questioning techniques' were used against Americans during WWII they were considered 'torture'..."

This is not true. Do you have a link to back up that assertion?
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COL Ted Mc
COL Ted Mc
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Capt Seid Waddell - Captain; Generally "not quite accurate" is the operative term when I don't get the facts completely straight. "Not true" has a tendency to turn around and bite people on the butt.

I said "... resulted in the trial, conviction, and imprisonment of people using them against Americans." and I meant "... resulted in the trial, conviction, and imprisonment of people using them against Americans.".

I'm not going to rush out and review the entirety of the Japanese War Crimes trials, but there was a MINIMUM of one Japanese officer (Yukio Asano) who was tried, convicted and imprisoned for "waterboarding" (although a different name for it was used) Americans (the sentence was 15 years at hard labor) that was NOT conducted in association with other "war crimes".

Captain, when President George W. Bush told you that it was NOT a crime and that it was NOT torture the other "NOT" that went along with it was "NOT telling the truth".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR [login to see] 170.html

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2015/jan/12/bobby-scott/bobby-scott-after-wwii-us-executed-japanese-war-cr/

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/waterboarding-torture-japan-world-war-ii
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis
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Then I saw it was from the aclu.
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