How the AP Rates the Presidential Race and the Road to 270

SPC Michael S. - sorry for the typos, i dont feel like going back and correcting, i have fat fingers.

SSG, all you've done is divert to a tangent. You started with a comment that IF Clinton does not screw up (essentially) in a manner which Romney was perceived as doing, she'll win. I commented back stating she already has and that the DNC and its base ignores her transgressions. That despite the fact they had plenty of time to find another suitable candidate. Instead they worked actively against the other candidates, ensuring her nomination. That by itself proved they are devoid of integrity. What you then do is divert and point to another example of what you perceive to be bad behavior (as if this justifies what is going on right now). Essentially you're using a childish retort by saying "well, they do bad things too!" None of this stops until we start making examples of those who do wrong.

The actions in NC were taken to court and defeated at the federal level. But you cannot say unequivocally that their actions were meant to target black people. The GOP is trying to defeat the DNC politically and unfortunately for the GOP, those actions are perceived as targeting Black people because a significant majority of them claim to be democrats. I will not deny there could be some truth by some members of the GOP who desire seeing minorities denied their vote, but no more than how members of the the DNC willfully promote programs meant to keep minorities in poverty, poor neighborhoods, and empowered to break out of their welfare conditions.

As for voter ID laws, these are by no means meant to prevent minorities from voting. They are meant to ensure only Americans vote in American elections. Please do not try to dismiss the fact that the DNC is actively trying to register illegal immigrants from voting. This is also something which can eventually bite you in the ass in the future as the goals and desires of these illegal immigrants may not always agree with those from other minority communities. Voter ID laws, if implemented fairly, are absolutely an answer to stemming the illegal voting registrations. Right now I have the ability to vote in two states because a state I moved away from has not updated their records (despite my active attempts to inform them I am registered in a new state). How do I know someone isn't using my registration to vote for me? We have a snowballing issue here when it comes to our election laws and all we seem to do is ignore it and claim everyone does it or it's not that big a deal. Just remember, the 2000 Election was decided by a little over 500-600 votes in what was then the 4th largest state in the union. The numbers which get reported I'm afraid are only the tip of an iceberg.

But getting back to your original post and my comment to you. Regardless of who else you perceive as doing wrong, would you not say that Clinton has already far surpassed any mistakes by Romney? If so, how in the world could she have possibly won the nomination? The DNC and its base already knew most of her transgressions before she got the nomination (hell, before she even announced her bid). I am no fan of Trump in any way, but at least I can say he doesn't hold a candle to Clinton's illegal, immoral, and unethical transgressions. Everyday people continue defending or ignoring Clinton's transgressions is another day I, the white conservative "never Trump" voter, start to reconsider. Simply to get some measure of justice against Clinton.

Did you not see what I wrote? I admitted that their is voter fraud but a nation of almost 325 million people, don't you think that freaking out over the 1 in 32 million that commit voter fraud is alarmist at best? Also, in 2008 last nation election 132,600 people voted so if one out of 32 million people committed voter fraud, do you know what that number would be?
FOUR!
Also, I don't know where you came from that non-citizens got to vote but if it were in any of the states that sued to have voter rolls purged, then those votes would have gotten tossed AND I continue to find it disingenuous of Americans that preach self reliance and independence that look to other nations like India and Mexico on "how to do things."
If you want make sure that voter integrity remains above board, how about we as a nation take a more active role in what happens in our nation instead being lazy and allowing ourselves to be fed our opinion? Want voter rolls purged? Awesome. Do it in EVERY district, not just those that oppose your political viewpoint. Want fairness in elections? Fine. Make gerrymandering, voter fraud, voter suppression, voter intimidation, vote buying, etc. a FEDERAL CRIME and have those convicted of it do FEDERAL TIME.
It won't happen, though. Why? Because we as human beings cheat and cheat at everything. Always have, always will

1. Did you read what I wrote?

2. You do not have actual stats which can show the real numbers behind how much voter fraud is going on and which side benefits from it the most. Statistically when something is possible to do with little chance of getting caught (like the example I gave you about what I am able to do), the likelihood of people doing it is significant. Why not close those avenues? Instead when someone points out examples, you either dismiss it or justify it by pointing out examples of similar behavior by the other side. I'm sorry but I will disagree that it is not that big a deal and I pointed out an example where in 2000 a Presidential vote was decided by as little as 500-600 votes. Put that in your own stats and you STILL change the outcome of an election.

2. The reason the organization Acorn was identified and ultimately indicted was for massive illegal voter registration practices. These included false/fictional characters, duplicates, and even ways to give non-residents/citizens the ability to vote. There are even Democrat politicians boldly coming out stating we should give illegal immigrants the right to vote.

3. What those who support national ID cards for voting want IS an across the board system which applies to all to ensure we minimize the fraud that is going on out there. That combined with systems to recognized duplicate attempts to vote instantly would go a long way in fixing the problem. Gerrymandering is subjective to who is looking at it. At times it can be obvious, other times it may not be (and for that matter not even going on). All of the things you list are already illegal, the problem is, there are few ways to identify it (hence the reason for voter ID laws).

4. Your pessimism is very apparent when you simply say "people cheat and cheat at everything." While I would not be so broad in such a statement, I will agree there will always be a certain element prone to cheating and another which won't. As we continue to ignore the actions of those that do, this tends to persuade some of those who don't to go ahead and try it. After all, "they" get away with it right? Our goal should be to mitigate the avenues in which to cheat, make it harder, and set examples of those that are caught. We have people on all sides of the avenue who claim they want to fix things and yet they still work actively against ideas which will actually help. In this case I am pointing out an example which I believe will work, but because it comes from a conservative perspective, it's automatically categorized as biased or racist. That is an example of where people are "fed their opinion" as you put it.

A wonderful example of baseless paranoia

Hillary and her latest mistakes and her foundation are making her have real reasons to be worried and paranoid

Gentlemen, this was the Associate Press reporting this. I get you guys don't want Hillary as president but seeking to discredit every report that doesn't support your opinion is baseless

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