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SSG Warren Swan
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My issue with this is she knew going in that there was a strict dress code before she applied, she had to have either done some research into it, or met a campus recruiter who explained the history of the school. I "think" and I very well could be wrong that this was a publicity stunt gone wrong. I think whomever told her to try this was under some impression that religion is in a protected class in regards to discrimination, but in this case, the school didn't discriminate against the religion directly, they cited standards and regs that state the same for everyone. She will not be attending the Citadel anytime soon. I would only support her IF the school directly infringed on her right to be a Muslim and practice her faith. It did not, it just mentioned you cannot wear traditional clothing while there. If there is a dress code for any religion, I'd take my statement back and acknowledge my mistake.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
PO2 Mark Saffell
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SSG Warren Swan I believe you are correct. She believed she could force a change based on her religious beliefs. Glad to see she was wrong...As long as Obama will stay out of it.
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MSgt John McGowan
MSgt John McGowan
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PO2 If he does stay out of it. He may not know about it yet.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
PO2 Mark Saffell
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MSgt John McGowan You mean its not in the news paper yet? Since that's where he learns of all this stuff.
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SSG Warren Swan
SSG Warren Swan
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PO2 Mark Saffell - Man you and Obama lol. He won't touch this unless the school gets federal dollars (it does get state money) and even then, he wouldn't touch it being the school freely advertised itself as a military style academy. He'd defer to the state courts or the federal circuit that represents the area. He also knows the citadel had a fight under Clinton in 1996, but there is nothing saying he had any sway to the Supreme Courts ruling they must admit women, but up until 2007, 146 women have graduated from the Citadel. Obama isn't stupid. You can change certain things like allowing transgenders to use the bathroom they ID with with pre-existing laws to support your claim, or women in combat roles in the CINC role. But a service or sudo-service academy? He'd walk away giving her the deuces, and tell her to try another school.
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PO3 Mark Schoenhoff
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I agree with this post 100%.
There is a store I frequent that is owned and operated by a Muslim family. They are very polite and treat me with respect. However, I'm sure that could change if the community were to grow in my South St. Louis suburban area.
I proudly display my tattoo of the Arabic letter "Nun", proclaiming me to be a Christian. The symbol is translated by Islamists as Nazarene, Christ or Christian. Each clerk at the store has asked me about it, and I tell them I wanted something other than a cross to show my Christianity. They've never have acted offended by it, and I didn't get it to offend those of Islamic faith, only to declare my own.
Anyone who comes to this country, because they supposedly believe in American ideals, needs to assimilate to our society, and stop trying to change us to become more like the country they moved here from.
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MSgt Michael Smith
MSgt Michael Smith
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Sounds to me like you are the one with the problem here dude. You even said it: They are very polite and treat me with respect. However, I'm sure that could change if the community were to grow in my South St. Louis suburban area. That is an assumption based on nothing --no evidence, no reason even to think that besides some half-truths put out there by right-wing pundits like Limbaugh and Savage.
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PO3 Mark Schoenhoff
PO3 Mark Schoenhoff
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The evidence has been seen in areas like Minneapolis and Dearborn, MI. As the Muslim population has grown, even the law enforcement in these areas fear going into these Sharia controlled communities. What started as a small community acting as if they wanted to assimilate to the American way, became more radical with the growth of the Mosques and placement of radicalized Imams into positions of authority.
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PO3 Mark Schoenhoff
PO3 Mark Schoenhoff
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I don't have a problem with them wanting to create communities. My problem is the citizens in these areas expecting the rest of the American citizenry to assimilate to their way of life. If they came here to be Americans, because our country is better than where they came from, why are they trying to force US to change. Who moves to an area that is worse than where you currently live?
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PO3 Mark Schoenhoff
PO3 Mark Schoenhoff
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I don't listen to Limbaugh and I have no idea who Savage is.
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SrA Edward Vong
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Edited >1 y ago
"It is DoD policy that requests for accommodation of religious practices should be approved by commanders..." [emphasis added] To this exhortation is added, however, a critical caveat: requests for accommodation should be approved, but only "when accommodation will not have an adverse impact on military readiness, unit cohesion, standards, or discipline."

Although as a cadet, I feel she should have just dealt with it till the end. I was Muslim during basic training, our day of worship was on Fridays. Accommodations could have been made if I wanted to, however I feel my training at that time took priority. (I'm pretty sure God would understand, honestly)
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LTC Thomas Tennant
LTC Thomas Tennant
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I have a feeling you are the exception these days. America is a very accepting country and that is why Radical Islam and the hatred it seems to generate is hard concept for us to get our minds around. I remember as a young boy in Turkey watching a flash mob pound our family car just because my mother was driving. Because we live next to a Turkish platoon outpost, the soldiers rushed out to disperse the mob but not before the front windshield and two side windows were broken. I can only imagine what would happen today. At the same time, some of my life long friends started on a soccer field playing with the young Muslims who lived near me. A couple went to school with me in Paris and later in Vermont. In Bosnia, I even got to serve with a couple of them and can vouch for their character, professionalism and basic human decency. In full disclosure, the community where we lived in Ankara, Turkey was an enclave of Turkish military officer and diplomat families.

MY POINT is that, in today's world, Islam is being radicalized and Muslims like yourself have a tough job ahead. Starting with bridging the lack of Western knowledge of your religion while confronting those who would radicalizing it. At the same time, how do you overcome the developing bias that all Muslims are potential terrorists while addressing the "high jacking" of your faith to justify the acts of terror? I was told of an old curse....May you live in interesting times. Soldier on my friend.
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SrA Edward Vong
SrA Edward Vong
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LTC Thomas Tennant
Thank you for your kind words.

I think one of the biggest issues when it comes to Islam is not necessarily the religion itself, as if we study most religions they all have a strange history of violence, bigotry, etc. The issue is we are dealing with an (arguably) uncivilized culture (Middle Eastern areas) with poor education, so all they really know is what is being taught by their elders, and in some cases, extremists. Looking at the history, that area has always been an area of conflict. They simply don't know better than what they were taught. I wouldn't go as far as Westernizing their culture as that leads to imperialism, however education and moving them out of their current mindset will help greatly. The area has to somehow work itself out.
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