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The science behind this is not controversial. The political policy implications are. Unfortunately, because of this, politically motivated people attempt to skew the consensus. Pollution is not controversial- no one will deny that there is pollution in the air, in the ocean, on the ground, in the ground. Climate change is not controversial. Everyone acknowledges desertification, rising sea levels, rising temperatures, glacial recessions, alarming increases in wildfires, destruction of rainforests.

But as soon as you talk about addressing this issue, it's political. And it benefits people to deny any of it is real.

Secretary Mattis acknowledged climate change was a national security threat. It is.
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Maj John Bell
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The question is not whether or not the climate changes. It does, short-term, long term, and "geologically' long-term. Some think the question is the cause. Is it anthropogenic, or not? That is not the question.

If it is anthropogenic, no doubt, what we can do unintentionally, we can learn to do intentionally and harness global weather to our own advantage. Or, we can return to pre-industrial lifestyles and accept that 100's of millions, probably billions will die at the hands of others in planned exterminations to determine who gets to live in the post-apocalyptic "utopia."

If it is not anthropogenic... we better learn how to harness the forces of nature. Or, we can return to pre-industrial lifestyles and accept that 100's of millions, probably billions will die at the hands of others in planned exterminations to determine who gets to live in the post-apocalyptic "utopia."

Either we think our way out of it, or we fight our way out of it. Now, Governor Ralph Northam (D-VA) tell me about why we should allow government to disarm us.
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No, climate does not change short term. Weather changes short term. A tropical region will not become arid on a human time scale. Global temperatures do fluctuate- by a degree or two over hundreds of thousands of years. A single ice age can last longer than all of human history. Climate changes naturally over vast time spans that, in some cases, exceed us as a species. And in all cases exceed us as a civilization.

So when climate change is observed within decades, that is not in keeping with the natural order. A 2-4 degree average change in global temperature is JUST the average. On a bell curve, the extremes become far more extreme. Mosquitoes start surviving winters. Polar bears die because they can no longer swim the distance between glaciers. Animal extinction then impacts plant growth or lack of, which causes more extinction. The chain of events gets out of control. And don't worry- the planet will survive. The planet won't miss us. But we will be gone.
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PO1 (Join to see) - Yes climate does change short term and quite often in cases that do not exceed a civilization, or for that matter an empire/dynasty:

Ocean and Atmospheric interaction
_The El Nino-La Nina Summer Oscillations

Volcanic Activity Short-term Global/Regional Climate Change effects.
_Year without a summer [Mount Tambora eruption 1816]
_The Karakatoa Eruption [1883]
_Mount Pinatubo [1991]

Solar Activity:
_The Sporer Minimum [1450–1540 A.D.]
_The Maunder Minima [1645-1715 A.D.]
_The Dalton Minimum [1790–1820 A.D.]

Orbital Cycles:
_The Medieval European warm period [about 950 to 1250 A.D.]
_The South African Little Ice Age [about 1500-1800 A.D.]
_The Northern European Ice Age [about 1300 - 1850 A.D.]

Thermohaline Events:
_Mediterranean breach of the Baltic Sea and De-salination of the Mediterranean
_Glacial flooding of the St Lawrence seaway and de-salination of the North Atlantic.

De-Forestation/Re-forestation cycles due to massive regional population shifts
_Mongol depredations [12th Century]
_The Black Plague [14th Century]
_European Plagues on North and South American indigenous population [16th and 17th centuries]

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/geophysical/chapter/short-term-climate-changes/

The life span of a mosquito is typically between 4 days to two weeks, so they do not survive the winter. There are places within the continental US where mosquito breeding cycles are not dormant. Mosquitoes are active year round and have been for millions of years.

I am not denying climate change. I am not overly interested in whether climate change is anthropogenic or not. People are like water, they follow the path of least resistance, and THEY WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE THEIR WAYS if they do not have to.

_Do you use electricity for any non-survival purposes? (TV, Radio, Computers, Cell Phones, Air Conditioning, Illumination at Night, etc.)
_Do you buy products that are packaged in petroleum based packaging?

The plain and simple truth is that we do not have adequate technology now, or in the foreseeable future that can sustain us in the lifestyles that we will ABSOLUTELY NOT give up. But as the climate changes, it may not be all bad. Currently unproductive land may become productive. Plants will eventually (almost certainly to slow for current human populations to be sustained) adapt to higher carbon levels and flourish. It may be catastrophic, but homo sapiens will not disappear. We will just adapt. It is what we do.
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