Posted on Aug 23, 2017
New military gun policy may not mean more guns on base
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This will never happen unless POTUS directly forces Commanders to do so (which will never happen). Senior NCOs/Officers seem to have a hard time accepting change (even simple change like sleeve rolling) and will not tolerate risk. This is why we have to do 183 online classes each year. It's why we have to have 'vehicle inspections' where we check registration, etc. The Army tries to legislate common sense actions and behaviors through uncommon sense methods. Mostly likely soldiers can carry weapons in the towns surrounding the post (and many do), and yet the streets don't run red with blood, so why the thoughts that they would on post is an anathema to me. We all hope that no on-post shooting will ever occur again, but when it does where will the talk of liability be then when a process exists for soldiers to defend themselves yet that process isn't exercised/followed?
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I had it tough enough standing in the CO's office watching a troop receive UCMJ, not take it well. I was always keeping a close eye for movements that would lead to the troop bringing a weapon into play. Paranoia some would say and after 35 years and seeing some very special "JOE'S" in uniform I called it preventive paperwork.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
SGM Erik Marquez - SGM no, I don't think that, but I also want to point out the obvious. I would have loved carrying on base like I do now where I live. I need both hands to count the number of times that Snuffy almost ended my life on live fire assault courses, range fires or in the barracks due to stupidity. While I am for carry on base I also understand why commanders will and are dubious about allowing snuffy to carry when their careers are on the line for yer one more issue. SGM I am thick but not that thick, As for UCMJ action some of our winners that didn't take their punishment well actually tried to attack my BC but were stopped. So its not all that far fetched that they would draw a weapon period. As for everyone else coming to our aid I don't have all that much faith in not getting perforated accidentally, Not all my units have been combat arms and some troops could spend a week at the rang and still not hit the 25m consistently.
Again while I wish we could carry I also see this as a very slim chance of ever happening in a zero defects climate. I am sure you see this as well.
Again while I wish we could carry I also see this as a very slim chance of ever happening in a zero defects climate. I am sure you see this as well.
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SGM Erik Marquez
1SG Dennis Hicks - Point taken, and got ya, I read into your post more then you intended. It came across to me differently then it does now.
Still, create the POI, staff it with certified folks no different then an APFT test crew or the Sm you have doing your PMI.
Require those that wish an "On post carry permit" to submit to a NICS background and local records check.
If CMD justifies with something observable and tangible, require a mental health review..
If all good, issue permission to carry. (oh and by the way you might catch that SM with a civilian convection for domestic violence you did not know about or the restraining order...all because you did a NICS and local records check.
Still, create the POI, staff it with certified folks no different then an APFT test crew or the Sm you have doing your PMI.
Require those that wish an "On post carry permit" to submit to a NICS background and local records check.
If CMD justifies with something observable and tangible, require a mental health review..
If all good, issue permission to carry. (oh and by the way you might catch that SM with a civilian convection for domestic violence you did not know about or the restraining order...all because you did a NICS and local records check.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
Good COA but as a Debbie downer all I see is an uphill battle with a donkey Kong tossing shit barrels on you at every opportunity. We have lots of anti-gun folks in uniform believe it or not and some are in the COC. You would figure that if we trust Snuffy to carry all sorts of dangerous crap in war we could trust them in peacetime. On a side note it was just fairly recent that we let the troops walk around with ammo other than on a range due to the war. I am all for that train as you fight type stuff.
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SGM Erik Marquez "Some of the top reasons are safety concerns, the prohibitive costs of use-of-force and weapons training and qualification costs," this quote I love. I was not Army, I was Navy. As part of the combat systems department, firearms qualifications were a requirement as we were expected to be a part of the ship security force. The point is that the number of qualified marksmen across the services is going to be lower than the number of non qualified personnel. Use of force could be incorporated into initial marksmanship training, reducing the cost. It basically sounds like any excuse to avoid having armed service members outside a combat zone. When a person joins the armed forces (regardless of branch) they are accepting that they may be asked to die in defense of their nation. They are not expecting to be gunned down by a wack job who doesn't like uniforms, or jihadi joe who decided he wants to trade shoot up a base for his 72 virgins. The point is that like in the civilian world, there is not always going to be an armed base security person around to defend their fellow service members. There will be times when a service member is put in the situation where they have to defend themselves, and the military should not preventing them from doing so.
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