NYPD top cop O'Neill shoots down Trump's plan to arm teachers

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Magazine capacity and a ban on semi-automatic rifle stronger than
22WRM would be a great start. reversing the recent changes in banning the mentally incompetent from buy and possessing weapons would be another good step. Reversing the changes in the ACA that make it harder to get mentail heath care would be another.

SSgt Christopher Brose - 1stSgt Nelson Kerr has a point. IF the federal government took teachers and armed them without having a codified manner of doing a more stringent and repetitive background check, repetitive mental health checks by an independent outside agency, a rigorous training cycle, one that stresses scenario based training that repeats itself every 90-45 days, and a stronger defense in depth manner of protecting the students along with the ability to become defensive without the teacher becoming offensive (that was one line Trump got wrong. Teachers who are armed are to protect the kids, not go hunting for the shooter). The idea now becomes a damn good one.
It's when you allow the states to either add on restrictions that make no sense, not allow the teachers to get training needed, not improve on their defense in depth through additional physical security measures and police presence, not to harass the kids, but to be that offensive capability that keeps the teachers as the permanent defensive capability we'll run into a huge problem. This is a situation where an overzealous Gov or AG could either restrict to where it's inherently dangerous for anyone, or a Gov and AG relax to where it is the same.
Inner city schools have an issue many suburnban schools don't. They're using buildings that have been in the same place with patchwork repairs, not full renovations since the turn of the last century. To really do them right, you might end up possibly tearing them down and rebuilding (fine by me) until the beancounters kick in full retard. In most inner city schools, overcrowding is another issue, should you want to do that heavy reno, where can you put these students where their education isn't hampered? I've gone through the use of trailers myself as a kid, and what was said to be temporary lasted over 20yrs after I graduated. Imagine if those inner city kids were bussed to a more affulent area, I can guarrantee all hell would break out due to their presence, by the parents of the students who live in that affluent area, long before anything even thinks of going down.
If we as states cannot pay teachers enough for the hard work they do as is, we'll suddenly be able to pay them an additional sitpend to be able to hold and maintain a weapon? If we cannot afford to pay them to teach, yet make many of them purchase school supplies that the local and state governments are supposed to provide, we expect those same local and state governments to pay for the training to maintain these teachers who not have an added burden?

Arming the teachers isn't the entire soluton now. We need to begin a non-political dialouge that lays the foundation in earnest now to move forward to making it better for the future. NYC will either play ball or pay lawsuits that could've been spent making the framework easier for saftey.

SSG Warren Swan - First of all, I don't think anybody is claiming that allowing armed teachers is the entire solution. My argument has been, and continues to be, that allowing armed teachers is the single thing we can do immediately that will have an immediate effect, and that can have minimal cost to get started. I'm not opposed to hardening schools in other ways, but most of those other ways will take significantly more time and money.

Your point about unnecessary regulations is a good one, but I can't even imagine a situation where someone would "not allow the teachers to get training needed." I would say, though, that any regulation that armed teachers must remain in a defensive posture only would be exactly one of those unnecessary regulations -- and one that probably wouldn't be adhered to in a shooting situation.

Your point about inner-city and old schools in general is a good one. I would argue that the things you said present a great argument for school choice, but that's another discussion.

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth - I say 10-30 seconds because I'm assuming teachers are in classrooms. The sound of the first shot of an active shooter might not give people the location, but once armed teachers know there is a shooter and are listening for the shots, they'll be able to narrow down the location pretty rapidly -- but I don't think that process is going to happen in 5 seconds. But even at 30 seconds, that is literally 10 times faster than the best-case law enforcement response.

1stSgt Nelson Kerr - Another dummy who thinks that all teachers are scampering pansies is that it? Anyone who can handle a classroom with 30 kids in it is probably not a scamperer. Of course folks seem to judge everyone from their own perspective.

CW3 Harvey K. - Well, at least if your cardiologist thinks your not going to make it he can still help you out.

SSgt Christopher Brose - Most NYPD would just fall back on the New Yorkers excuse... "I didn't want to get involved".
That might be playing them a little harsh.

PO3 John Wagner - He has complained "You're indestructible" to me in the past.

I don't expect the police to "be there". Neither do the courts. It has repeatedly been ruled that no police owe any ordinary citizen any degree of "protection". YOU are responsible for your own safety from violence.
Google "Neptune, NJ police officer shoots, kills wife in front of fellow officers" if you want to learn how much "protection" the police must give you.

Excellent points and well stated Maj John Bell.

CW3 Harvey K. - Law enforcement is a response agency, not a preventative force. In few instances are they there before or during the commission of a crime. An SRO may not be at the right location, or in this case, not even enter the school. We know this, yet send our kids to gun free zones every day. SHAME ON US!

think of the student in that class trying to figure out when the Train A will come in with and active shooter in the building. The kids would say that is the toughest teacher ever.