Posted on Jun 25, 2017
Senators seek Pentagon investigation of torture reports
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How do you feel - what do you believe and/or think - about allegations US passively or actively supports, condones, and/or participates in torture of captured enemy personnel in allied middle eastern countries - including UAE among others? Do you endorse torture for intel collection? Do "illegal" combatants deserve human rights protections routinely accorded to legal POWs? Do we have the right to turn prisoners of war over to government forces who may engage in torture. If so, do we have moral obligation to inspect facilities and ensure proper treatment of our POWs?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/24/yemens-government-to-probe-alleged-torture-detainees.html
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Senators seek Pentagon investigation of torture reports
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This should be an interesting discussion. There's something known as the "Jack Bauer effect" that essentially says torture is not only beneficial but required when something "catastrophic" is imminent (like a dirty bomb or chemical weapon detonation) - the lesser evil becomes acceptable.
There's an inherent slippery slope that comes out of this, where the "will happen" becomes the "might happen", a.k.a. the Worst Case Scenario and the possible/potential threat. At some point, the lesser evil just becomes... evil.
Time to pop some popcorn; I'm wondering Makers Mark or Knob Creek?
There's an inherent slippery slope that comes out of this, where the "will happen" becomes the "might happen", a.k.a. the Worst Case Scenario and the possible/potential threat. At some point, the lesser evil just becomes... evil.
Time to pop some popcorn; I'm wondering Makers Mark or Knob Creek?
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I think it's one of the ways of extracting information... Yes, people should be treated within some humane standards, but we're talking about some extenuating circumstances. When our personnel gets captured, some get tortured and/or killed, just because...
I am torn on this one. In the case of other countries we are partnered with can we tell them what to do in their own yard? Although sometimes it is hard to walk away from we have to. In the case of US military, are the proclaimed combatants? If not the Geneva Convention does not apply. Have delved into that before. Most terrorist are not proclaimed combatants. On this one I will only say the greater good must be determined.
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SFC Dave Beran - Geneva Convention or not - no one condones, supports, or participates in wet work on my watch. We have a moral and legal obligation to ensure our prisoners are not mistreated by our own forces or by the forces of another country. To condone wet work by our allies (1) compromises our moral high ground, (2) makes it less likely the enemy will surrender, (3) risks decision makers may rely on routinely unreliable data, (4) causes severe psychiatric damage to our own officers who may be responsible, (5) violates our standards of conduct, and (6) breaks international law. Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
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I did not say I disagreed. I said many countries will tell us to butt out. And in reality there is not a lot we can do. I disagree with many people who believe torture provides good info. Was just responding to your open statements.
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SFC Dave Beran - Good. Torture in theory is one thing - in practice quite another. Sandy :)
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