Posted on Jun 30, 2024
South Carolina implements one of US’s most restrictive public school book bans
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Yep. Our local school board is now composed of folks like this...not a single Educator on the board. All religious agenda and right wing ideology. Freedom! That's what they tout, as they tell you which books you are free to read. I was taught by Nuns for crying out loud, and guess what? They didn't ban a darn book, ever. And they taught History as it happened and didn't care what your opinion of that History was. They didn't mince words...even when it came to all the Religious Wars of the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries...we got the Protestant and Catholic sides, and the Secular angle too. It was called: Education.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
SGT Kevin Hughes White Christian Nationalist, The Modern Face of the KKK want to Indoctrinate the Children!
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SGT Michael Wells III
MSG Stan Hutchison - I'm not so sure we're talking about the same things. I don't know many conservatives that complain about too much government in their bedroom, only in their family and trying to usurp the role of the parent.
As a Libertarian and father of 4 (all 18+ now), I couldn't agree more.
As a Libertarian and father of 4 (all 18+ now), I couldn't agree more.
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SGT Kevin Hughes
Sarge, I can easily agree with some of what you said. But I have a harsh history with Non Educators being in charge of what books are in PUBLIC SCHOOLS. Not just because of the recent brouhaha over what Histories, or Subjects should be taught, and how. But because of the very real issue of how it impacts text books. I love Science. Always have. Yet I found myself at loggerheads with the "Good Christians" who made it difficult to get Math and Science books ...and History Books that didn't follow their narrative - get approved. The first and biggest hurdle was over biology and evolution. Whether there is a God, or not, is not a scientifically based Question. And Intelligent Design is a belief system that is imposed on the Science Community - for there is no prediction matched with experiment and the resulting data, that could be made.
Spirituality - at least in my mind- does much the same as Science does...it searches for the mysteries of its discipline. why are we here? The meaning of life? Is there a hereafter? What is a soul? Good questions, and Religious and Spiritual books seek to answer those. History is rife with what could only be called Genuses, working on the kinds of questions. But they aren't questions that Science is able to delve into. Gravity is a fact. Praying for the Law of Gravity to be repealed can't be tested. You can have any belief you want, it is why we love living in America. But claiming your beliefs are the only ones that are valid, and in areas that don't have anything to do with the subject at hand...well, that causes issues.
So yeah, I have a problem with elected Christians who want only what they want taught and books they approve of in Schools. I have never in my life, ever, heard of the Government telling a Church what books it could have in its library. But the stories of what books can be used in a Public School - including Darwin's Work, and the working Standard Model of Physics, have all been under attack at some point or another not because their math or physics, or biological research wasn't rigorous or made it through the channels of Peer review, but simply because a Christian Housewife doesn't believe in the Big Bang, Evolution, or Biology.
So I stick with my original statement, Education does not mean indoctrination or limiting exposure. Guidelines are good, but who decides. You defended the Bible with all of its ugly parts, simply because you believe that it shows these things to be Evil. But is a child ready to hear about being killed by his parent, a dad drugged and raped by his children, and an honest woman turned into salt for turning around? Show me a children't book with those same themes taught by a secular grade school teacher. You are still putting thoughts in young people's heads that are way above any developmental stage they might be at. To think my Dad might have killed me because he was ordered to...and I was six or seven years old? Yeah, I would have been scared. Which is why most Sunday Schools try to save the Old Testament for later in their lives. Adult brains think differently, and they have more experiences to balance out what they have learned.
And boy oh boy, and I going to have to take a nap now. Good intentions can have bad outcome, and banning books and deciding what can be taught, or not, is one area where that can easily happen.
Spirituality - at least in my mind- does much the same as Science does...it searches for the mysteries of its discipline. why are we here? The meaning of life? Is there a hereafter? What is a soul? Good questions, and Religious and Spiritual books seek to answer those. History is rife with what could only be called Genuses, working on the kinds of questions. But they aren't questions that Science is able to delve into. Gravity is a fact. Praying for the Law of Gravity to be repealed can't be tested. You can have any belief you want, it is why we love living in America. But claiming your beliefs are the only ones that are valid, and in areas that don't have anything to do with the subject at hand...well, that causes issues.
So yeah, I have a problem with elected Christians who want only what they want taught and books they approve of in Schools. I have never in my life, ever, heard of the Government telling a Church what books it could have in its library. But the stories of what books can be used in a Public School - including Darwin's Work, and the working Standard Model of Physics, have all been under attack at some point or another not because their math or physics, or biological research wasn't rigorous or made it through the channels of Peer review, but simply because a Christian Housewife doesn't believe in the Big Bang, Evolution, or Biology.
So I stick with my original statement, Education does not mean indoctrination or limiting exposure. Guidelines are good, but who decides. You defended the Bible with all of its ugly parts, simply because you believe that it shows these things to be Evil. But is a child ready to hear about being killed by his parent, a dad drugged and raped by his children, and an honest woman turned into salt for turning around? Show me a children't book with those same themes taught by a secular grade school teacher. You are still putting thoughts in young people's heads that are way above any developmental stage they might be at. To think my Dad might have killed me because he was ordered to...and I was six or seven years old? Yeah, I would have been scared. Which is why most Sunday Schools try to save the Old Testament for later in their lives. Adult brains think differently, and they have more experiences to balance out what they have learned.
And boy oh boy, and I going to have to take a nap now. Good intentions can have bad outcome, and banning books and deciding what can be taught, or not, is one area where that can easily happen.
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SGT Kevin Hughes
SGT Michael Wells III - Sarge I have to apologize...again. Here I am talking out my *ss about a subject that I currently have little to do with. I swore I wouldn't do that...have opinions without any skin in the game, or planning on finding common ground, actions steps, or solution. Please accept my apology. And I will got back to minding my own business. And one more thing, even thought I am not Religious in any sense of the Word, I am a big believer in Faith. I have seen what it can do for folks who are lost, need support, or just something to believe in. Not sure I have seen any miracles, but I know a few incidents where that just might be the explanation. So don't take my Bible Bashing as a BOOK - as not understanding the power of Faith. Sorry.
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