Posted on Jul 7, 2024
SGT Greg Knytych
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I have seen many posts on Facebook in the Oldschool 95B page talking about the Army either eliminating the MP Corps or eliminating Garrison Law Enforcement from the mission.
I've heard this rumor before, even when I was still in 35+ years ago. I do believe base law enforcement duties stateside will become more and more commonly handled by DOD Police allowing more personnel assigned to units to handle the changing and evolving wartime mission. There's been criticism about "civilian" police enforcing the laws on base, but the DOD Police aren't civilian. They work under the same authority and enforce all military regulations and policies as the MPs do. They also have the same responsibility to the UCMJ as any military member. I see no issues here. What do you say?
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LTC Jason Mackay
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Having commanded a Garrison, I can tell you DoD Police do not have the same responsibility to UCMJ as military members. Head on down to your local CPAC and the Union for that area and tell me what you find. There is some pros and cons to realigning the law enforcement mission from Garrison and creating a larger DoD contingent to take it on. The largest argument I can think of is if there is a law enforcement mission in a deployed environment, the MPs need to at least rotate through LE assignments so they can do it down range. Experience in patrol and investigation are essential. Only one way to get it…
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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I agree 100% with Your View Colonel and having spent 22 years as a military Member in USAF Air/Security Police there is no good substitute for that. We have worked with DOD Police and that's fine but as a supplement NOT a replacement. My Military Police career also led to a career as a Full time civilian Police officer as well which I had the training and experience for. The Military Police background also put Me at the top of the list for any civilian Department I had applied and I had a choice of jobs.
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WO1 Mike Dwyer
WO1 Mike Dwyer
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I also see possible recruiting issues too. I was a civilian cop for 6 years and enlisted to do specifically do law enforcement. Then I became a CID Special Agent and really loved the MP Corps. I wouldn't have enlisted if only combat MPs were available.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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The 1st time you get a parcel of POWs, and you have to sit on them because there is no MPs to turn them over to and no POW camps, they will change their tune pretty damn quick!
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SGT Greg Knytych
SGT Greg Knytych
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It is my understanding that the core mission of POWs, traffic control and VIP security is not changing. The main change is in the stateside garrison law enforcement mission and additional cross training for 11B and 19D.
When I was in, 35+ years ago we had that cross training and that became apparent as to how much training there was when I attended the NCO Academy. MPs and Scouts were singled out in weapons and navigation classes.
I'm not opposed to more DOD Police on bases but wonder how that reception will be from other commanders on base. Whatever form the changes are, the critical mission needs to be priority.
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1SG Albert Archuleta
1SG Albert Archuleta
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I totally agree with you SGM...Internment and Resettlement Operations: Army Field Manual FM 3-39. 40. There's a HUGE need for this and we need trained Soldiers who know what to do in and what not to do when working with detainees in the theater internment facility (TIF). I was the COG in Iraq at Taji, and that amount of politcal and red tape when working with detainees is ridiculous! Definitely isn’t not the most desirable or sought off job, but it provided great opportunities for HUMINT operations and the amount of intel it provided to the US Forces was instrumental. In all....We still need 31B and 31E MOSs
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SSG William Jones
SSG William Jones
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LTC Jason Mackay SGM Bill Frazer @
Don't know when the designation
changed, but we were tasked with EPW Operations in the desert in 1991. (Enemy Prisoner of War - EPW)
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
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A few years ago, the AF in it's infinite stupidity...uh, I mean wisdom....thought eliminating the Security Forces AFSC and replacing them with DoD contract police would be a great "cost saving" measure. That proved to be a COLOSSAL failure when it came time for extra base/post patrols, increased security checks at sensitive asset (ie: WSU, critical infrastructure, etc), and sending troops downrange to secure airfields in Afghanistan and Iraq. The union(s) that control the DoD police units basically to the AF to go fornicate themselves as those functions were not part of their contract. Oddly, the 3P0X1 AFSC made a miraculous reemergence.
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LTC Jorge Cordero
LTC Jorge Cordero
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MSG Thomas Currie - Very much aware, of the SOW, a Reserve Maintenance Unit I commanded back in the early 90s was deployed to Kuwait because of the SOW. The company contracted to maintain the equipment use by the military for defense on the Kuwaiti border had "Maintain the equipment to 10/20 standards" in the contract. And as many of us know, if the equipment is basically functioning, that may be considered 10/20. You don't have to do any "A services" on equipment if it starts and can preform it's primary function. The Army found out almost 3 years after the gulf war that the contractor wasn't even changing fluids on equipment, because as long as a rotating unit could get in a Bradly or M1, start it up and drive it out to the border it was considered in operating condition. So when called on it, the company said, sure we can do "A services" but it would require a modification of the contract and BTW it's going to cost this much more. So the Army rotated Reserve Maintenance Units for 29 day AT missions (Overseas AT) to perform A services and a few other minor maintenance issues. Mind you I commanded a DS level maintenance unit that was used to change oil. Great moral for the unit, being overseas, but a lot of miss used talent.
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TSgt Andrew Harper
TSgt Andrew Harper
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Well, I see issues already. Contractors are not a good substitute for MPs. This all about the bean counters in the Pentagon, saving money for themselves. Love those Security Police (SPs), MPs and Shore Patrol, especially overseas working "Town Patrol"
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Sgt Mark Tarte
Sgt Mark Tarte
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I was an SP 50 years ago in the AF. My sgts started as APs. They told me the AF considered us as “red-headed step children” and I see really nothing has changed, sadly. The rumor I heard while serving was that the SPs, Army and Marine MPs, and Navy Master at Arms were going to be merged into a super MP corps that you joined, separate of any of the branches. I guess that is what DoD police are these days.
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SFC Richard Baerlocher
SFC Richard Baerlocher
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What this is is an attempt to put more troops in combat positions, and reduce support troops. Support troops go whereever the unit is whether in garrisin or in combat. Contractors cannot be forced to go into a comber zone. No matter what the contract is whether it is vehicle maintenance, weapons repair, or food service, they do not have to go into the combat environment. Good in principal, but really horrible in practice. Military support goes with the troops whereever that may be!
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