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LTC Vindman retires, was he right or wrong? What about the second and third order effects?

Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
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SPC(P) Nick Bondgien
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Thank God I was never an officer, however in my honest enlisted opinion, he was wrong. I'd be inclined if I were his superior or had the power to do so, open up a CID investigation into his Financials and subsequent assignments post fraudulent testimony. I say fraudulent because his testimony was based solely on his impression of a he said she said conversation. I also think he's a disgrace to the uniform. I said what I said (probably why they keep us Scouts away from the general public)
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SSG Douglas Shaffer
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Yes, I am sitting here in Ft. Livingroom as you would put it, however you have obligations to do what is morally right. LTC Vindman carried out is duties. Can you resend an order? Yes, you can if it is an unlawful order that is under morally standards. So, by that alone you should report any discretions look at general order #3 I will report violations of my special orders, emergencies and anything not covered in my instructions to the commander of the relief. General Orders don't only imply to Guard Duty. These are "General" orders that soldiers are to fall back on when no other orders are given.
It is no different than the Code of Conduct. When there is no leadership.
There is also your described responsibility of your duty position and what is also known as inherited responsibilities which is the moral one of right and wrong.
None of which I had explain had nothing to do with politics these are Military Standards as to how you are to carry yourself in a Military Manner.
In addition, had he not reported his knowledge of it, it would have looked like the Military was involved in a political cover-up and therefor would have made all Officers not to be trusted by the civilians that have given us their trust and responsibility to defend and protect this country.
These are things one should be telling a junior enlisted, and one shouldn't have to be explaining all of it to a Field Grade officer.
Anyone can disagree and is entitled too. However, the bottom line is we also have moral obligations to report discrepancies that we hear and see. If you can't see that then maybe you need to go back to the books and refresh yourself in your responsibility to your duties and to the civilians that have given us their trust for us to do the right thing without politics involved. We are all in the Military and NOT in politics.
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MSG Tracey Heard
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He did the right thing no one is above the law period! If it was any other president he would be getting praised. Show me in any regulation, policy etc where it says the president is above the law. You swear to defend the constitution
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My final comment is that USA is democratic Republic. Not just a democracy and not just a Republic. Half of my family came to USA in the colonies. Thr other half of my family immigrated from Norway. The colonial side has fought in every war since we have arrived. The Norwegian side fought the Nazis in the Norwegian Underground.
I cannot understand the shift in this country toward an authoritarian government like we observe in enemies of our Constitution, past and present. The times are changing and, as ever, corruption is evolving alongside it. Some contemporaries are not up to the challenge of international technology. Theres alot going on, and we need all hands on deck.
We need all of our families, neighbors and communities. Every good idea. For the love of God and Country.
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SSG Shawn Mcfadden
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He was in the right. The President and his acolytes had no right to persecute him the way they did.
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PFC John Roscoe
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The President willlfully obstructed the will of the US Congress and tried to use the funds legally appropriated to aid Ukraine to strong-arm that country to benefit himself personally. What's not to report? This occurence, on the part of Trump was a just a pixel, of the overall history of Trump's life-long behavior and unsavory character. The US Military has it's own unsavory history, where 90% of personnel through-out history have kept their mouths shut and their head's down, with only a few coming forward to expose major atrocities (My Lai Massacre) and scandals (SGM of the Army running a system-wide organized corruption ring) Sounds like a lot of people voting against Vindman, don't get the fact that their loyalty is to the country and to defending it's Constitution, not to some cult-figure they happen to admire and agree with- they would find themselves comfotable in the systems that produced Hitler, Putin, Napolean, Julius Ceasar, but not so much, Washington, Roosevelt or Eisenhower. The guys with the guns (law enforcemeent and tthe military) too often prioritize protecting each other and their Chain-of-Command over their own country. Isn't that where the expreession "CYA" originates from?
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SFC Lynn Santosuosso
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He was at 100% right based on the fact that he was wearing uniform and was a member of the United States military. When you are subpoenaed by the Congress, you have no choice you have to go and you have to answer their questions truthfully. In his position in Ukraine as an advisor, he was in the thick of it and knew that things were wrong and against the rule of law of the constitution. It was in phone calls, emails, And other correspondence, with security personnel in Washington, as well as embassy personnel, which is monitored and recorded, that Vindman got involved as well as everyone else in the mix. He was bound by his military oath to follow his legal obligations. He is 100% right!

I have read all 127 pages of this transcript and there were so many laws broken by the executive branch as well as those in the state department that there should be more people behind bars right now then there are! It is disgraceful that politicians and others skate free of breaking the laws of the constitution!
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDOC-116sdoc12/pdf/CDOC-116sdoc12-pt2.pdf
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PO2 John Drillock
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Vindman is the type of person I wouldn’t want as a neighbor. He only thinks of himself and leaked info on that infamous phone call. How’s that for serving your Commander in Chief? He’s a perfect example of the Peter Principle. I don’t care who the president is/was, Vindman did not serve the country well and in fact harmed it. And, I’m getting sick and tired of weak people leaving office and writing “tell all” books padded mostly with nonsense. JMO
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LTC Pete Moore
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Vindman broke his oath as an officer, he lied about what he observed, and he did it for personal gain. He should have lost his clearance and been prosecuted. None of his politically and profit motivated actions were honorable!
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1SG Charles Butts
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I had my share of political upheavals that affected the way I had to do my business as a leader while in the military.......as long as we have politicians who have no clue of what it is like to "walk in military moccasins we will always have these upheavals and fork in our judgement road of how to do business. We have to decide whether to put up with it or know when it is time to leave and when and when not to voice our opinion.
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