Posted on Jun 19, 2017
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CSM Thomas McGarry
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As a retired CSM I will say that one of my pet peeves all my time in the Army was with those who stated that something was "against regulation" when in fact they didn't know or were wrong. One of the great things I find with the internet is that regardless of rank you can usually find what in fact the Reg is along with all kinds of other info on awards etc. One word of caution however is to be sure you are viewing the latest version of the regulation as they do change!!
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PO3 Gary Dittamore
PO3 Gary Dittamore
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SCPO Bruce Davis - As a BU3 who served in MCB40 from 74-78 I do not think a lot of people understand our culture Senior. How many E-6's get as dirty as the junior enlisted, in the battalions they sure did! Our "inspection uniforms" especially when deployed became our work uniforms!
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PO3 Gary Dittamore
PO3 Gary Dittamore
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PO2 Bill Reardon - for us in the Seabee's it was one and the same, inspection uniform @07:30 work uniform @08:00
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SFC Don Lawrence
SFC Don Lawrence
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CSM McGarry not staying current with regulations is one of my pet peeves too. Amazing how many people and schools in particular require an over 40 physical when there hasn’t been such a thing since January 1989.
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SPC Dejan Smaic
SPC Dejan Smaic
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SSG (Join to see) - Or, if you post the correct answer, someone will always find controversy. :-D
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COL Aviation Combined Arms Operations
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Although I love to butt heads with CSMs, he may have been correct, but he just had the wrong reference. AR 670-1 covers a lot, but in this case you may need to reference US Code Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 8. He may have been referring to subsection d or j. To me it's subjective interpretation.

No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
(Added Pub. L. 105–225, § 2(a), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1497.)
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MSG Peter Duston
MSG Peter Duston
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A pet peeve is the altered US Flag with the blue strip which violates the Fag Code. My second passionate peeve is clothing made to look like US Flags...
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MSG Johnathan Mathes
MSG Johnathan Mathes
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hmmmm ok a question... and this is a head-scratcher sir... as I read the guidelines you have laid out here for us ...(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything. wouldn't carrying fellow soldiers home under this be breaking these rules.. i understand guidelines fine and well,, but they are as a rule a guide .. not written in stone.. I think we need to seriously look at things in perspective and then judge how we want to handle it.. if no disrespect is meant.. is it worthy of crushing the spirits of others?
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SPC Gary Burr
SPC Gary Burr
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MSG Johnathan Mathes - The flag in that instance is a covering over a deceased person or casket, not carrying the deceased. Carrying would be like using the flag as a tarp or hammock.
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MSG Johnathan Mathes
MSG Johnathan Mathes
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SPC Gary Burr - by his definition it would... and folks have to realize there is a time and a place to get crazy .... my point is there is a time when things are used in common sense... i know all to well what it means to folks.... i buried about 200 folks during a 2 yr run with an honor guard platoon in west point NY. and various over funeral details...
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SFC Observer   Controller/Trainer (Oc/T)
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Not even a little bit.. some CSM's tend to equate their preferences for doctrine...
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COL Field Artillery Officer
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Many years ago, in an Army far, far away a SGM came into my Fire Direction Center and told my chart operator he was using the wrong color pins to mark the batteries in the Battalion. He had been a Major that was riffed back to enlisted and thought his way was the way is should have been. I picked up my personal copy of 6-40 and invited the SGM to step outside. Only in the face of the "Book" did he admit he was wrong. I directed him to only correct something in my FDC only after he had checked with me. He never came back.
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1SG Roger Erickson
1SG Roger Erickson
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It amazes me to see such banter about who is right, especially the comments about back in the day. I am the son of an Army Vietnam Combat Vet. My dad served 21 years and I can't tell you how many times me and my brothers who served in the Army three of us serving till retirement, how he served in the real Army. I often wondered how many times his older brothers harassed him about his service because he had four who had served in WW2. I have studied US Military history ever since grade school. What is the hallmark of the US Soldier is he has been and continues to be innovative, stubborn, and willing to take the initiative in the absence of direction. To imply otherwise to those who have served or those who serve now is a disservice at the least and dishonors the many who have stepped up and made those decisions.
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SMSgt Bob Wilson
SMSgt Bob Wilson
3 mo
I love this. "Old Horses" [CMSgts] can't agree. Everyone trying to dissect a question and most of all junior enlisted can't read or to lazy to check the regulation out to see what the lead way is. "In the good ole days" we cheated on hair length until we got caught. Today, it appears junior enlisted can only get answers from the internet. Don't they have supervision? Just my thoughts ridiculous question.
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1SG Roger Erickson
1SG Roger Erickson
1 mo
1SG Roger Erickson - An update while I find it hard to believe this is still up being discussed it is pretty clear. US Flag Code Section 8 -J Allows for patches and pins for certain persons. After that it is governed for the Army by https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/ARN6028_DAPam670-1_Web_FINAL.pdf.
Chapter 19 addresses this issue specifically. It states, in part, "The U.S. flag embroidered insignia is worn so that the star field faces forward, or to the flag's own right. When worn in this manner, the flag is facing the observer's right and gives the effect of the flag flying in the breeze as the wearer moves forward."
The issue becomes no ones enforces the code even though there are laws on the books the Supreme Court has struck down enforcement as infringement of freedom of speech.
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