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Strange how the democrats cry about so called Russian interference in our elections etc, yet they are now doing the same thing with Israel.
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SGT Mary G.
SGT Mary G.
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Maj John Bell You said it. Jewish organization collaborated with the draft - the Arabs did not, which resulted in the Arab territory not being contiguous because the plan of the political zionists organization was to always get the nations those non-contiguous territories borderd, to annex them.
The political zionists also did not agree to the draft they agreed less with further negotiating, which is what lead to declaring Israel a nation - as a way to try to put an end to the negotiations by settling on the draft as it was.
Totally agree that principle parties must find common ground. However, governments get in the way when their people have found common ground and want a peaceful resolution. (Gotta vamos and recharge the tablet.)
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1) In 1948, Palestinians did not support dividing the property between Palestine and Israel. After the UN passed the vote for resolution 181, Palestinians refused to recognize Israel and convinced 5 Arab States (from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt, Saudi Arabia) to attack Israel. In the aftermath, Israel gained land. Repeatedly Palestinians urged Arab countries to attack Israel, Israel gained additional land. The loss of land is completely the fault of Palestinians who did not want to share the land with Israel.
2) I agree that Israel should not allow building in Palestinian territory.
3) The US has been attempting to craft a peace policy that both sides could agree on. While Israel has its own faults, the Palestinians have engaged in numerous terrorist attacks throughout the time which threatens any hopes of peace. After 13 different Presidents were unable to craft a policy that would bring peace, Trump gave ultimatums that was designed to force the sides together. This included the aid money and recognition of Jerusalem. At this point, I don't think Trump's plan garnered any worse reaction to any previous plans.
4) I have stated many times, I supported Trumps policies when he was in office, but would not want to see him President again. Regardless, I will not vote for Biden or anyone else that would perpetuate the disastrous policies we have seen the last 3+ years that have affected our economy, foreign policy, immigration, and energy.
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Maj John Bell
Maj John Bell
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SGT Mary G. - Muslims, Christians and Jews have been killing each other in the region for centuries. The Ottoman Empire kept the trouble relatively low. But Christians and Jews placed a much higher value on education and carried an outsized weight in governing the Ottoman Empire. In areas where the Ottomans didn't have strong military/police presence tensions often rose to civil unrest and killings. I don't agree with your statement

The Balfour Declaration of 1917 didn't help with tensions between Muslims, Christians and Jews living in the region. The Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Jews weren't living together all that peacefully after the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI. The lid came off. This is just Pre-WWII

Your words: "The entire population could have been living peaceably in one nation without need for a partition, as it had until the "partition" idea was suggested." Really?

*Initiated by Arabs Muslims
Bel Haim, 13 dead - March 1, 1920
Nebi Musa, 9 dead - April 4–7, 1920
Jaffa Riots, 95 dead - May 1–7, 1921
Jerusalem Stabbings, 6 dead - November 2, 1921
Palestine Riots of 1929, 249 dead - November 2, 1921
Kibbutz Yagur, 3 dead - April 11, 1931
Black Hand Stabbings 6 dead, 1931-1932
Haifa Riot, 4 dead - October 27–28, 1933
Jaffa Riots, 21 dead - April 19–20, 1936
Arab General Strike, 314 dead - April 20 – October 12, 1936
Safed, 4 dead - August 13, 1937
Har Haruach, 5 dead - November 9, 1937
Haifa Rd, 6 dead - March 28, 1938
Atlit, 3 dead August 16, 1938
Tiberias pogrom, 19 dead -October 2, 1938

*Initiated by Jews
Haifa, 33 dead - February 27, 1939
Jaffa Rd Gate Jerusalem, 5 dead - June 2, 1939
Haifa, 20 dead June 19, 1939

All of these are confirmed by historical records as being political actions, as opposed to killings for criminal purposes. There are dozens more that may or may not have been political violence.

The difference between bantusas and the Gaza strip: The Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip elected a government sworn to the extermination of the state of Israel. Have you read the Hamas Charter.

The U.S.A made no such promise as to not recognize Jerusalem as the Capitol of Israel. Previous administration promises are not binding on the next administration unless that promise is codified in a treaty ratified by the Senate.
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SGT Mary G.
SGT Mary G.
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MSG (Join to see) and Maj John Bell, I was going to mention today, since I did not have the opportunity to say so yesterday as the tablet battery was dying, that I appreciate the thoughtful exchange of opinions. That is still true.
However, noting comments today, I do not want to waste your time, further. And it is certainly a waste of my time also to have Israel's limited narrative presented again and again with more details each time, with which I am already very familiar.
To continue the conversation I would need to again respond the same way with additional details from which I would be drawing a different conclusion than both of you, and it would continue to refutes most of the conclusions drawn in your comments.
In other words the conversation has devolved to the stage of everyone repetitively stating the same narrative, with additional details add, that still continues to leave out facts which provide a comprehensive look at both sides. It seems less about sharing thoughts and information that seem unknown, and more about refuting/convincing/being right. I do not want to continue to pursue a conversation in that way.
So I will leave it at this - it has been interesting. However at this point I would need to write a dissertation or a book to carry on the conversation.
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1SG Clifton (Cliff) Webster II
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Schumer thinks Israel is a colony
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SPC Michael Duricko, Ph.D
SPC Michael Duricko, Ph.D
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1SG Clifton Webster II:
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Are Schumer and Schiff Cousins?
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MSG Billy Brumfield
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SPC Michael Duricko, Ph.D
SPC Michael Duricko, Ph.D
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The guy is a waste and incapable of thinking in my opinion.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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Former Vice President Mike Pence already stood no chance of being Donald Trump’s 2024 vice presidential running-mate, but he sealed his fate on Friday during an interview with Fox News.

Pence told host Martha McCallum that he “will not be endorsing Donald Trump this year,” a decision he said “should come as no surprise.”
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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Lt Col Charlie Brown - ...
I Copied That Statement From A News Article.
Whether Or Not Pence Thought He Could Become President,
He Doesn't Support Trump, Either Way. ~
And He Worked WITH Trump... That's Close Enough For Me.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney - Sadly, Pence is a relic of a gone by era where Honor had some value in politics. He has not been able to adapt to Democrats commonly using Saul Alinsky’s 12 Rules for Radicals where they attempt to destroy their political opponents by any means necessary. Pence honestly believes the public will see his honor and integrity and rally around him, when in reality he will be destroyed and silenced by these radical tactics.

“That's Close Enough For Me.”? That’s curious to me. You above all people around here should be able to see the dynamics at play here. To survive in today’s political world “and keep one’s honor” one needs to be able to walk on a blades edge, staying true to the old values of our Country, while giving it back to the Left in the same way they destroy others… but only with the Truth, not the lies we hear for our current Democrats and RINOS. It’s not easy and I can’t say I care for it much, but it appears to be the only way our Country survives. MHO
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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No Matter Which We Support, Neither Is A Good Choice.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney - So you put Bien and Trump on equal footing as both being equally bad?
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