Posted on Oct 25, 2023
Should we be supporting wars in other countries?
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As we fight poverty, aging military equipment, horrible base living conditions, and vet homelessness should we be sending so much money overseas?
Posted 6 mo ago
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I don't think we should be sending money to countries that hate us for one thing. I also don't think we should be buying anything from countries that hate us, and I think anybody that honestly knows what I'm talking about would agree.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
"Countries" do not "hate" anyone. Only some people in some countries may hate some other countries. I doubt the average rice farmer in China gives much thought toward the US.
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The overseas military aid talking point is a deflection. Those who argue for diverting spending to help veteran homelessness actually do not support funding those programs.
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https://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/aug/13/every-turn-republicans-undermine-veterans/
How often do Republicans undermine veterans? Here’s a list
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LTC Joe Anderson
CPT Lawrence Cable - At this time I don't belong to or believe in any party. The two major parties don't have the country and people's best interests in mind. It's always party first. So I choose to vote for candidates rather than parties. If a Republican seems to be the best person for the job then I'll vote for them if it's a Democrat I'll vote for them, and if the best candidate is an Independent I'll vote that way. We desperately need a real third party that is in the middle of all political beliefs and values. The far right and far left are so extreme of each other, they can't see the center. To them, the center is either left or right. As far as the interparty fighting goes. The Democrats have the best United front. Regardless of what they say or do behind closed doors. How Parties control their members or how they get things done doesn't matter. If they can't get things accomplished when they have the majority. You're telling me how the sausage is made which I don't disagree with. It's just not important at this point. It's the public infighting and inability to get things done or make decisions that kill a party.
I'm not saying Republicans shouldn't have these kinds of fights and debates. But some in the Party have requested they do it behind closed doors, then come out with a united front and a clear winning Idea, candidate... But unfortunately, the majority of the party just wants to; go home on the weekend, not stay late, or lock themselves in a room till they hash things out. I've heard a few Republicans recently come out to the media complaining that the majority of the party will not do this. The Democrats do all their infighting behind closed doors. At least they're smart enough to know when to stop fighting and move forward together. They know the party will eventually cave to their radical whims no matter how far left they are. I don't disagree with the process you mention. You're probably right on the money with your explanation of how the two parties work. But the result is still the same. One party is better at presenting a united front, not airing out their dirty laundry, and getting their agenda accomplished (Not a good agenda for the country. Just their Party. ). The other needs to come together if they want to stay in charge or be successful when they have the majority.
As far as Trump goes I don't think he'll get elected (But never say never) and don't want him to. Not because I think he's the "Evil Orange Man..." or did a bad job while in office... I think this way because, unfortunately, he's too polarizing and has trouble being diplomatic when he needs to. Not a bad thing in business. unfortunately too chaotic for politics. He tended to take two steps forward and three backward while in office or just shoot himself in the foot with silly tweets and stuff. If he's elected we'll just see four more years of the same mud-slinging, fake charges, and political theater BS. That silliness will stop progress and prevent him from having a successful term. Another four years is not in the country's best interest. I could get behind DeSantis, Haley, or Scott. Otherwise, I'll probably vote Independent. Unfortunately, I can't get behind Biden or Trump. Trump is the lesser of two evils. But I, can't get behind 4 more years of drama.
Could you imagine four more years of these panty waist RP'ers whining about Trump. He's been out of office for almost 3 years now and they're still crying like he was in power. Such overgrown babies. I can't believe people like that ever served. They don't have the intestinal for it to takes to be a good service member. I believe most of them just cruise through service without actually working or sacrificing. If they served it all. TDS kills any logical thought process they may have once had.
I'm not saying Republicans shouldn't have these kinds of fights and debates. But some in the Party have requested they do it behind closed doors, then come out with a united front and a clear winning Idea, candidate... But unfortunately, the majority of the party just wants to; go home on the weekend, not stay late, or lock themselves in a room till they hash things out. I've heard a few Republicans recently come out to the media complaining that the majority of the party will not do this. The Democrats do all their infighting behind closed doors. At least they're smart enough to know when to stop fighting and move forward together. They know the party will eventually cave to their radical whims no matter how far left they are. I don't disagree with the process you mention. You're probably right on the money with your explanation of how the two parties work. But the result is still the same. One party is better at presenting a united front, not airing out their dirty laundry, and getting their agenda accomplished (Not a good agenda for the country. Just their Party. ). The other needs to come together if they want to stay in charge or be successful when they have the majority.
As far as Trump goes I don't think he'll get elected (But never say never) and don't want him to. Not because I think he's the "Evil Orange Man..." or did a bad job while in office... I think this way because, unfortunately, he's too polarizing and has trouble being diplomatic when he needs to. Not a bad thing in business. unfortunately too chaotic for politics. He tended to take two steps forward and three backward while in office or just shoot himself in the foot with silly tweets and stuff. If he's elected we'll just see four more years of the same mud-slinging, fake charges, and political theater BS. That silliness will stop progress and prevent him from having a successful term. Another four years is not in the country's best interest. I could get behind DeSantis, Haley, or Scott. Otherwise, I'll probably vote Independent. Unfortunately, I can't get behind Biden or Trump. Trump is the lesser of two evils. But I, can't get behind 4 more years of drama.
Could you imagine four more years of these panty waist RP'ers whining about Trump. He's been out of office for almost 3 years now and they're still crying like he was in power. Such overgrown babies. I can't believe people like that ever served. They don't have the intestinal for it to takes to be a good service member. I believe most of them just cruise through service without actually working or sacrificing. If they served it all. TDS kills any logical thought process they may have once had.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
LTC Joe Anderson - I would rather see the party keep their fights public, the DNC keeps way too many secrets and control over party members. It helps that so much of the Legacy Media are effectively tools of the DNC, they can hide a bunch of stuff.
Where the Republican Party has made real strides is at the State level, where the Party now has a large majority in 30 states. And their administration of those states seems very favorable for the most part. I think that trend will continue as the Democrats slide further and further Left. The people that used to vote Democrat in this state haven't many choices since there isn't many Moderates left on that side.
I've never understood why Trump is so polarizing to the Democrats. He was and still is the typical New York/New Jersey businessman. You come in cussing and make an offer that is insulting, then sit down and cut a deal. I've dealt with them for years. Whether he would be effective or not now would be a function of how much of the Senate he actually controlled since I think he has a House majority in the bag.
BTW, you misspelled Caustically.
Where the Republican Party has made real strides is at the State level, where the Party now has a large majority in 30 states. And their administration of those states seems very favorable for the most part. I think that trend will continue as the Democrats slide further and further Left. The people that used to vote Democrat in this state haven't many choices since there isn't many Moderates left on that side.
I've never understood why Trump is so polarizing to the Democrats. He was and still is the typical New York/New Jersey businessman. You come in cussing and make an offer that is insulting, then sit down and cut a deal. I've dealt with them for years. Whether he would be effective or not now would be a function of how much of the Senate he actually controlled since I think he has a House majority in the bag.
BTW, you misspelled Caustically.
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Maj Bruce Miller
The claim that a 'party' does not support this or that is often made in reference to an omnibus bill with literally hundreds of lines of legislative material, and often some small benefit is written into the bill that benefits a politically popular group, such as veterans, and when the entire bill is voted down for completely different reasons....such as massive deficit spending on welfare programs.....the party promoting the bill will point and shout "see, they don't support veterans' (or disabled or seniors or children). This is a strategy Democrats have been using as long as I've been around.
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CPT Ian Stewart
LTC Joe Anderson - Sir, I read your earlier comments and can understand your position in general. However, I do have to take exception with one remark that you made - "Trump is the lesser of two evils." Seriously?
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MAJ Byron Oyler
Roosevelt came to power the same month as Hitler and had he been proactive we might have avoided that war.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
MAJ Byron Oyler - How should FDR have been "proactive?"
Keep in mind, up until 1941, most Americans opposed getting involved in European wars. In a 1939 poll, Americans were specifically asked if the U.S. should declare war on Germany in support of England, France and Poland and should deploy forces to assist those countries. Americans were strongly opposed, with 90% rejecting the idea and 8% in favor.
Other interesting facts:
https://news.gallup.com/vault/265865/gallup-vault-opinion-start-world-war.aspx
Keep in mind, up until 1941, most Americans opposed getting involved in European wars. In a 1939 poll, Americans were specifically asked if the U.S. should declare war on Germany in support of England, France and Poland and should deploy forces to assist those countries. Americans were strongly opposed, with 90% rejecting the idea and 8% in favor.
Other interesting facts:
https://news.gallup.com/vault/265865/gallup-vault-opinion-start-world-war.aspx
Gallup Vault: U.S. Opinion and the Start of World War II
On Sept. 1, 1939, Nazi Germany invaded Poland. At the time, Americans favored supporting the Poles, up to a point.
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