Posted on Nov 22, 2016
DoD Releases Plan to Allow Personnel to Carry Firearms on Base
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Hmmm! Whatcha think about this, you who are currently serving?
The Pentagon recently released detailed guidance that allows U.S. military personnel to carry privately owned, concealed firearms on base, a move that the Army's service chief argued against publicly.
"Arming and the Use of Force," a Nov. 18 Defense Department directive approved by Deputy Secretary of Defense Robert Work, lays out the policy and standards that allow DoD personnel to carry firearms and employ deadly force while performing official duties.
The Pentagon recently released detailed guidance that allows U.S. military personnel to carry privately owned, concealed firearms on base, a move that the Army's service chief argued against publicly.
"Arming and the Use of Force," a Nov. 18 Defense Department directive approved by Deputy Secretary of Defense Robert Work, lays out the policy and standards that allow DoD personnel to carry firearms and employ deadly force while performing official duties.
DoD Releases Plan to Allow Personnel to Carry Firearms on Base
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While DOD may give the green light on this, local base/post commanders will have the final say. After the 1st Brain fart injury or death or the 1st UCMJ action that leads to a shooting this policy will evaporate like an award recommendation.
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i remember when this idea was first introduced, and RP members were writing that in war time weapons are carried, so why not allow it on Military Bases. They know how to properly handle a firearm. Now that it can be done, there are negative remarks. The rules I read, sound pretty strict to allow a personal firearm on base. If the DOD approves it, won't the post/base commanders have to follow the decision? I'm not clear on that. I can write this. When I was in, it would have been the wrong thing to even think about, much less allow it. Lots of PO'd troops were returning from combat and allowing them to carry a weapon, it would have been like OK Corral all over again.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
SGT (Join to see) - When I was in the only time you carried live ammo was at the range or deploying to places where folks shot at you. 9/11 changed that and more troops walked around with weapons locked and loaded. Considering I served in both Combat Arms and Combat service and support units and this just being my opinion. I see more problems than solutions with allowing ALL in uniform to carry. I served with some truly great troops but also with some brain dead walking blotter reports. I have seen some truly violent arguments in the barracks and I can see how this can turn into close quarter combat in a heartbeat. Since I am no longer in uniform I don't have a dog in the fight but I see what can and will happen as it is in the human nature to have brain farts.
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1SG Dennis Hicks - That's how it was when I was in. Back in the early 60's, I'm glad nobody carried then. Besides being 11-bravo in Vietnam, I was a door gunner on a Huey. After I came back, I had to go to Detroit for the racial riots in '67. So, I carried weapons everywhere I was sent. I can relate very well with the fights in the barracks, but that's another story. I really don't think this is a good idea because of that. I agree wit ya.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
I carry everywhere I can legally do so, M1911A1 with two spare mags, as that saying goes to young to die to old to get my head kicked in, again :)
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Personally, I think that it would be wise to allow select SM's to carry, IF they have completed the applicable pistol training/qualification and state education on use of deadly force laws, and definitely a stringent mental evaluation, similar to the requirements applying for a conceal carry permit.
That would hopefully weed out a lot of the turds who don't have the mental capacity to complete basic tasks, let alone accept responsibility of holding a firearm without endangering other Soldiers safety and lives.
Now I could totally get on board with arming a recruiter, and green-light them to carry a POW, as they are not protected by a restricted base and location that offers more security that regular Soldiers are. But I could foresee a lot of issues tied to this, considering not every state is a will-issue state for concealed, or like California, that is a may-issue state, that allows open carry with a permit, but requires a justified reason for it.
But all it will take is someone waving around their brand new pistol they got at the PX on lunch to get the privilege taken away.
That would hopefully weed out a lot of the turds who don't have the mental capacity to complete basic tasks, let alone accept responsibility of holding a firearm without endangering other Soldiers safety and lives.
Now I could totally get on board with arming a recruiter, and green-light them to carry a POW, as they are not protected by a restricted base and location that offers more security that regular Soldiers are. But I could foresee a lot of issues tied to this, considering not every state is a will-issue state for concealed, or like California, that is a may-issue state, that allows open carry with a permit, but requires a justified reason for it.
But all it will take is someone waving around their brand new pistol they got at the PX on lunch to get the privilege taken away.
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SGT John Hogg
SGT (Join to see) - When I did the class a few months ago in Louisiana, it was an all day course from 08-1700. I'm not going to lie and say it was hard, but it didn't go in-depth on drawing from the concealed, or defensive shooting. It was more geared to safety, range time, and about half the day focused on law. But it was offered through the Garrison Safety, so it was free.
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SGT John Hogg - Ours lasted all day. I think that's a law to have an eight hour course. We had to read through the books and took a test on the laws, how to handle a situation when you're stopped by a Police officer, etc. After a 1-1/2 hour lunch, we had to watch the video, then qualify at the shooting range, got our scores and temp card and went home. Nobody failed, which I thought was strange.
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SGT John Hogg
SGT (Join to see) - You received a temp card? Ours was similar, but without the long lunch. LA is about 5month's behind right now. So it'll be some time next year before my application is processed and I see my card.
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SGT John Hogg - Yes, like a temp you get for a drivers license until the real thing comes in. I took my test about 15 years ago.
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While stationed at Cannon AFB, we had the AFSOC commander for an all call. It was noted that it would be left up to each wing commander as to how to go about and arm personnel outside security forces and OSI.
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