Posted on Nov 28, 2014
Should Senior Officers and NCOs be afforded respect at their children's schools?
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I ask since many times Senior Officers and NCOs are treated rudely. Now, senior leaders should have self-control with an especially vitriolic or stubborn school staff.
In Tampa, I had to call teachers and explain how Crohns Disease and Colitis is an emergency bathroom run. But even at DODDS schools you have run-ins, but shouldn't the teacher know the demographics?
And seeing how it is the military community affects the teachers and school boards livelihood, should deference be paid to Colonels and CSM, 1Sgts, Warrant Officers? And not particularly in that order. lol
In Tampa, I had to call teachers and explain how Crohns Disease and Colitis is an emergency bathroom run. But even at DODDS schools you have run-ins, but shouldn't the teacher know the demographics?
And seeing how it is the military community affects the teachers and school boards livelihood, should deference be paid to Colonels and CSM, 1Sgts, Warrant Officers? And not particularly in that order. lol
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I may be misunderstanding the question, but since when are civilians enforced to pay deference to the military? They outrank us all. That being said, respect is respect, but to civilians, the SMA is no one special.
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In my opinion, once you walk through the doors of a school that is not a military school, you take off your rank. You are simply the parent of a child in that school, any expectations of special treatment based on rank is abuse of said rank. While you may expect other military to address you by rank and be professional, I'm not standing at attention/parade rest to talk to another parent at my child's school, I'm not deferring to another parent to be taken care of first based on rank, etc. And you have zero expectations of your rank meaning anything to the teachers.
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Why just Sr Officers and Nco's??? shouldnt all military personal get the same respect?? with out the soldiers there would be no Armed forces because the upper ranks damn sure arent crawling through the mud and doing other dirty jobs, are they???
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MSG Michael Caldwell
And speak for yourself, I wouldn't have my soldiers do that I wouldn't, as a Sr. NCO if they were in the mud so was I.
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LCpl Clif Crosswhite
Sgt I would have to respectfully disagree with you I've personally had one of my CO's down on the gun with me lifting and loading rounds into a howitzer with us because he wanted to know what we did. He believed he couldn't lead a battery without knowing what we do.
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SGT Michael Glenn
I was in that same mud and inside those vehicles, maybe things have changed (as I hoped it would because I was always confronted with command and NCO's keeping far from actual work. I was chastised by a LT because I had a broom in my hand while my soldiers were doing other things, had a CPT that gave a poor rating to one of his Lt's because he caught him in a fox hole digging with the soldiers , had yet another CPT that would go home every night during field problems because it was snowing and he was cold...I was in the thick of it with my soldiers and even pulled guard duty with them so we could break the shifts down further when it was cold, you will not find a slacker here, no sir. I was merely making reference to the dead beats that do practice this sort of unfavorable behavior and hide behind there ranks, RESPECT to all who lead by example !!!
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Maj John Bell
SGT Michael Glenn - I was a Marine, Marine officer's were expected to "embrace the suck" with their Marines. And on the occaisions when I trained with Army units, I never saw anything different from their Officers, SNCO's and NCO's.
I'm having a real hard time with your anecdote about the Captain who gave a poor rating to an LT for digging a fighting hole.
1) Officer's ratings are not commonly shared with enlisted personnel. I cannot think of a single case where that happened. Even when getting typed up, officer fitreps were normally typed up personally by the PersO, and in a pinch by the section chief.
2) If the Captain shared a Lt's rating with anyone other than the LT, he should have been immediately cashiered. Same for a Captain who had troops in the field and wasn't with them.
3) If the Lt shared his rating with his troops, his professional relationship was probably compromised and he should have finished out his obligation passing out volley balls at the Morale Welfare and Recreation bldg at the post recreation site.
4) No such comment in the rating should have made it past the reporting senior's reviewing officer.
5) If the officers in the chain of command weren't present and observant enough to see that kind of nonsense and nip it in the bud... that was a unit in a serious hurt locker from the top to the bottom.
I'm having a real hard time with your anecdote about the Captain who gave a poor rating to an LT for digging a fighting hole.
1) Officer's ratings are not commonly shared with enlisted personnel. I cannot think of a single case where that happened. Even when getting typed up, officer fitreps were normally typed up personally by the PersO, and in a pinch by the section chief.
2) If the Captain shared a Lt's rating with anyone other than the LT, he should have been immediately cashiered. Same for a Captain who had troops in the field and wasn't with them.
3) If the Lt shared his rating with his troops, his professional relationship was probably compromised and he should have finished out his obligation passing out volley balls at the Morale Welfare and Recreation bldg at the post recreation site.
4) No such comment in the rating should have made it past the reporting senior's reviewing officer.
5) If the officers in the chain of command weren't present and observant enough to see that kind of nonsense and nip it in the bud... that was a unit in a serious hurt locker from the top to the bottom.
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