Will America commit to a shooting war with Russia if Putin invades the Ukraine over joining NATO?

William Davis - more dumb right wing drivel

Cpl Jon Fambrough-Stone - The lack of any viable substance in your commentary speaks volumes about your willingness to look at both sides of an issue. Maybe instead of hurling insults such as partisan hack, or right wing drivel instead present some concrete and verifiable information to support your point. For instance do you have proof Biden will not get us into a shooting war? After all we are giving billions in military aid to a country that has had a questionable past as well as lending military expertise in the training of the weapons we are currently supplying. Depending on who you ask we are currently heavily involved in a proxy war with Russia which can always ratchet up to a shooting war and boots on the ground. We currently have @ 100,000 troops in Europe and there is no telling if and or when Putin might try to strike them.

U.S. supplied weapons and ammunitions – including anti-tank and anti-air systems, helicopters, drones, grenade launchers, and more than 50 million rounds of ammunition – have been flowing into Ukraine daily, and the United States has been working with allies and partners to facilitate deliveries of additional weapons.

The weapons pledged or sent include 72 155mm howitzers, 72 vehicles to tow them, 144,000 rounds of ammunition, and more than 120 Phoenix Ghost tactical drones recently developed by the US Air Force specifically to address Ukraine's needs.

Since January 2021, the United States has invested more than $5.3 billion in security assistance to demonstrate our enduring and steadfast commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. This includes more than $4.6 billion since Russia’s launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal war against Ukraine on February 24. Since 2014, the United States has provided more than $7.3 billion in security assistance for training and equipment to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO.

United States security assistance committed to Ukraine includes:

Over 1,400 Stinger anti-aircraft systems;
Over 6,500 Javelin anti-armor systems;
Over 20,000 other anti-armor systems;
Over 700 Switchblade Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;
108 155mm Howitzers and over 220,000 155mm artillery rounds;
90 Tactical Vehicles to tow 155mm Howitzers;
15 Tactical Vehicles to recover equipment;
High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and ammunition;
20 Mi-17 helicopters;
Hundreds of Armored High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles;
200 M113 Armored Personnel Carriers;
Over 7,000 small arms;
Over 50,000,000 rounds of small arms ammunition;
75,000 sets of body armor and helmets;
121 Phoenix Ghost Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;
Laser-guided rocket systems;
Puma Unmanned Aerial Systems;
Unmanned Coastal Defense Vessels;
22 counter-artillery radars;
Four counter-mortar radars;
Four air surveillance radars;
M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel munitions;
C-4 explosives and demolition equipment for obstacle clearing;
Tactical secure communications systems;
Night vision devices, thermal imagery systems, optics, and laser rangefinders;
Commercial satellite imagery services;
Explosive ordnance disposal protective gear;
Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear protective equipment;
Medical supplies to include first aid kits;
Electronic jamming equipment;
Field equipment and spare parts.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/

Cpl Jon Fambrough-Stone - They say hindsight is 20-20 and this certainly appears to be the case here for you. Yes, in my original statement months ago I brough out the fact that sometimes Democrats start military actions to deflect their weakness. I also pointed out that Progressive Democrats also try to buy their way out of any problem, and that is 100% true.

In the case of starting a shooting war, he did, while not putting boots on the ground President Biden and his surrender policy in Afghanistan and inability to show any strength in the world emboldened Putin to take what he believed he could. I can very easily say some insulting things, but at the end of the day if you can’t understand what I just explained, well we don’t have anything to say to one another. We have to agree to disagree.

Partisan comments. Wow

LTC Eugene Chu Nice job of deflection. The intent of my post was not a comparison of Taiwan to Ukraine, but shows our tepid response to Russian’s beginning invasion encourages China to go for Taiwan. We will see how it plays out, if Russia fully invades and take over Ukraine.

LTC Eugene Chu - And our promise to defend them if they gave up their nukes means what?

SPC Steven Depuy - Nothing, just as it did in Afghanistan. As I've said before we will not live this shame down in my lifetime. The United States is now in decline.

@SFC Bernard Walko from your own writing "And all this time we didn’t have terrorists breathing down our neck trying to take down our leadership" are you talking about January 6th, all those maga lovers trying to kill Pelosy and Pence?

SSG Bill McCoy - One of my business school classmates is Russian. When I asked her about Alaska, she mentioned that Russians do not care that America purchased the land over 150 years ago. The czar's government needed money and Alaska was a burden for Russia based on cost and logistics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoR_k4Go9W8

LTC Eugene Chu - Yes, but imagine if we hadn't bought it ... or even had we not made it a state! With Russian (or past USSR) bases been in the Alaska territory, we'd have been in a real pickle.

That purchase was one of unintended brilliance on our part, giving us a cheap buffer zone, which the Russians [now] claim to have not cared about. I'm pretty sure they look back at it and privately regret that sale. They're always pushing for extended access into Europe and beyond, which is the reason they wanted to invade Ukraine.

Putin badly wants to control The Black Sea and gain access to Europe, even if it means challenging Turkey in violation of the 1936 accord and bringing us into the fight. The only way we can stop them is when Turkey asks us, as we're not an authorized player for the protection of its waters unless we're invited in. So when we do go in at Turkey's behest, Putin will call on his alliance with China to thin our forces. Bishop to King 4 and we're out...?

We're in for an extended challenge by Russia for worldwide hegemony, so Putin's chess game is slowly unveiling itself. I wonder where Xi Jingping and his huge army comes into the fray? Let's see...when we challenge Russia's entry into The Black Sea--China will challenge us elsewhere to pull our resources away and make us fight on two fronts. It'll be a sleight of hand distraction while Jingping runs his game to our west. Those two are out to divide the allies and conquer at will!

With both our adversaries pulling out all the stops with hypersonic weapons development and bolstering their forces, we had better get our battle plans in order...and I'm concerned about the readiness and fitness of the younger generations whose exercise routines are video games and junk food.

This won't be pretty.

At this time, neither Finland nor Sweden are members of NATO. Both countries will decide about applying for NATO membership by mid-summer.