Posted on Aug 23, 2014
SFC Operations Nco
125K
526
272
20
18
2
I feel as if I’m speaking to a Master Sergeant, Sergeant First Class or Staff Sergeant, they need to be addressed as their full rank and not “Sergeant.”
Avatar feed
Responses: 123
Votes
  • Newest
  • Oldest
  • Votes
SGT Signal Support Systems Specialist
0
0
0
Holy Cpl Vote Down!! I wonder why he did...

Anyway, SFC, I don't think it is disrespectful. Especially for those new young recruits who should but might not know what the rank is. I would hate to call a 1sgt Sgt. OR SGM SGT...

But again, It's all on the tone. :-)
(0)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
CW4 Larry Curtis
0
0
0
Edited >1 y ago
During my time as a soldier that was just how we did it, unless it was some formal address such as awards presentations or promotions, or reporting to the Commander and the like. The only Senior NCOs who were addressed differently in my time were in pay grade E-9, unless they were First Sergeants. And I have been in or around companies where the First Sergeant position was filled by a senior SFC or an SFC (P), and we still addressed them as First Sergeant. This may be a little silly but I always cringed just a little down deep whenever someone addressed the First Sergeant as Top, even though it was widely acceptable to do so. In an Aviation unit where there is a large population of Warrant Officers, you couldn't just walk into a room and say, "Hey, Chief." You'd have several of us looking at you as if we were wondering if you'd been hitting the bottle already or something. Personally I think we find a lot of different reasons for poll-vaulting over mouse feces when it comes to some of these things regarding customs and courtesies. The wise-guy in me compels me to further state that after I pinned-on CW4 bars, I always made it a point to smile really big whenever I saluted a 2LT and said "Good Afternoon, Sir!" But that's just me I suppose. We all have to start somewhere, don't we? And that 2LT, though probably very young and still wet behind the ears, has earned the title of "Sir" or "Ma'am" and I would be terribly unprofessional if I did not acknowledge it...but sometimes it was just too much fun for a crusty old hoot like myself. ;)
(0)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
Capt Christian D. Orr
0
0
0
In the Air Force, our regs permit "Sergeant" as a term of addresses for any NCO from pay grades E-5 through E-8, although in the Security Forces (AKA Security Police) career field, we have an unwritten tradition of addressing E-8s (Senior Master Sergeants) as "Senior." Our BIG taboo is to NEVER address a Chief Master Sergeant as simply "Sergeant" or refer to him/her verbally as an "E-9" (even though that's his/her pay grade); it's ALWAYS "Chief" (or theoretically the full rank, although in practice that's too much of a mouthful for practical oral usage).
(0)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
1LT William Clardy
0
0
0
Not by my lights.

Disrespectful would be addressing them as "LT"...
(0)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
SSgt Joe V.
0
0
0
Just depends on your career field, and sometimes on how recently someone was promoted...
(0)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
SrA David Steyer
0
0
0
Other than the ranks that have to be addressed differently - i.e. First Sergeant, Sergeant Major, Marines at their full rank etc I will generally use "Sergeant" the majority of the time but I have felt sometimes that I should address a E8 by their full rank (Master Sergeant, Senior Master Sergeant as example), as a sign of respect, even though I am not in the wrong by addressing them as Sergeant and last name.
(0)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
CPT Chase Sanger
0
0
0
I have been reading all of the answers and thought how funny it would be if we called Lieutenants First and Second. Wouldn't that sound ridiculous? I don't think anyone would make the argument to call LT's by their full title. As my comment above on SFC Torres' thread states: in the case of the MSG, I have no issue with addressing them by "Master Sergeant". Its just one of those little things that shows you respect that person and what they have done in their career. I don't think anyone will be calling you out for violating regs, but I could be wrong...
(0)
Comment
(0)
LTC Acquisition Intelligence
LTC (Join to see)
>1 y
LT Sanger...I think you are just looking at this from the Army perspective...The Marines make a big deal of calling each NCO rank by its correct rank, and as an Army Field Grade Officer, I have learned (my personal experience, your's may differ) that its appropriate to call another professional by the rank they earned.

I want any organization I am in to be a respectful climate, I can start by showing respect (which takes an extra second) to those I work with.
(1)
Reply
(0)
CPT Chase Sanger
CPT Chase Sanger
>1 y
You bring up a good point Sir. I wonder how hard it would be to push for a change so that we can (according to the regs) address NCO's by their particular grade? No one has ever accused the Marines of being short on military courtesy, so it would probably be a good idea to follow their lead on this one.
(1)
Reply
(0)
LTC Acquisition Intelligence
LTC (Join to see)
>1 y
LT Sanger...its also a cultural thing, and not sure if we really need to...(I was enlisted in the Marines and still have the effects of the brainwashing)...I think as a good PL or XO, you are probably already trying to show your Soldiers you care and respect them...maybe they don't care about their full rank being said, but if they do, I think you (and me, and all of us) should try to do it.
(1)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
SGT Squad Leader
0
0
0
In general, and as has been mentioned per regulation -- Sergeant is applicable for all up to First Sergeant and Sergeant Major. However, MANY people address Master Sergeants as their complete title. I find myself "following the crowd" in addressing Master Sergeants simply because I feel like I am disrespecting them by not doing what everyone else does...even if regulation supports just calling them "sergeant." If 49 people call them Master Sergeant, and I'm the only one addressing them as "sergeant" -- it could be viewed as disrespectful. Even though allowed to by AR -- I also don't think that the AR prohibits the use of their full rank.
(0)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
SGT Bryon Sergent
0
0
0
Edited >1 y ago
This isn't taking away from you accomplishment. It is not speaking a mouth full ever time you have to speak to several NCO ranks in the same meeting.

Copied straight out of AR 600-20.

Grade: Sergeant Major of the Army
Pay grade: E-9
Title of address: Sergeant Major
Abbreviation: SMA

Grade: Command Sergeant Major (See table note 2)
Pay grade: E-9
Title of address: Sergeant Major
Abbreviation: CSM

Grade: Sergeant Major (See table note 3)
Pay grade: E-9
Title of address: Sergeant Major
Abbreviation: SGM

Grade: First Sergeant
Pay grade: E-8
Title of address: First Sergeant
Abbreviation: 1SG

Grade: Master Sergeant
Pay grade: E-8
Title of address: Sergeant
Abbreviation: MSG

Grade: Sergeant First Class
Pay grade: E-7
Title of address: Sergeant
Abbreviation: SFC

Grade: Staff Sergeant
Pay grade: E-6
Title of address: Sergeant
Abbreviation: SSG

Grade: Sergeant
Pay grade: E-5
Title of address: Sergeant
Abbreviation: SGT
(0)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
SGT Bryon Sergent
0
0
0
Edited >1 y ago
.
(0)
Comment
(0)
SGT Bryon Sergent
(0)
Reply
(0)
1SG(P) 1st Sergeant
1SG(P) (Join to see)
>1 y
It isn't disrespectful because the reg states that MSG down to SGT is called Sergeant...HOWEVER...I have come across some MSG's that prefer to be called Master Sergeant, so as a practice I call them Master Sergeant.
(1)
Reply
(0)
SGT Bryon Sergent
SGT Bryon Sergent
>1 y
When they ask or correct me you are correct That is when I call them by there rank.
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small

Join nearly 2 million former and current members of the US military, just like you.

How are you connected to the military?
  • Active Duty
  • Active Reserve / National Guard
  • Pre-Commission
  • Veteran / Retired
  • Civilian Supporter